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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,962 Joined: 27-February 13 Member No.: 76,875 ![]() |
Because throwing processing power at a problem doesn't translate into being better. Additionally, it makes less sense to offload computing power instead of building it into a device - server farms are still expensive, and nobody wants their ware to go offline when the parent company goes belly up. The logic, from one of the freelancers, is that the 2075 form of cloud computing doesn't rely on dedicated servers, or really anything from the manufacturer - idle-process sharing is built into the new protocol, so in effect the distribution is across everything in about a kilometer of you; this also has the side effect of taking away a lot of the issues of transmission there and back again. And throwing more compute power at something doesn't intrinsically make things better, but throwing more compute power at a problem with a time constraint (in this case, "must work in live time") allows for the use of algorithms that take a lot more processing but provide superior results. And let's not forget that with the mesh network, "wireless on" intrinsically means "on Matrix" unless you can't get a connection for some reason. Now, some of the bonuses don't make sense - we can all agree on WR/RE, I'm sure. So why don't we set that aside for the moment and look at some other ones where maybe there actually are reasonable arguments either way? |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,210 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Texas Member No.: 7,685 ![]() |
And this is the core of why its dumb. It shits all over how it used to work, and the reasons provided for it aren't good enough to justify such a massive backslide. A retcon is a retcon. Some good ideas when the cyberware actually could benefit from being wirelessly connected, but they are trying to make this universal. |
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Douche ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 1,584 Joined: 2-March 11 Member No.: 23,135 ![]() |
The problem with that analogy is that even a rubbish commlink should be able to operate like google, allowing you to type "convert 120mph to furlongs per fortnight" and get an immediate answer without having to have a Matrix connection. ~Umi Why? My computer can't answer that question for me without Google. I can do it on a smartphone with the right programs but it would probably take me a minute instead of 5 seconds. Or I could pop over to Wolfram Alpha and ask how many calories a cubic parsec of fried chicken would have, which is a question with enough variables that calculating an answer would take awhile. Hold on a minute. Wireless bonuses (boni?) are just that, technically. (Yes, I understand that it's less a bonus and more 'basic functionality' per older editions) but even offline, WR and RE should still provide some sort of effect. Otherwise, if you're offline, you basically have the implanted version of an expensive paperweight, which sounds wrong. From what I've read from the devs, they should still provide some sort of effect. So, assuming the bonuses are actually bonuses (as in you still retain the basic functioning of the device)... Reaction enhancers provide +1 Rea per rating. Wired provides +1 Rea per rating plus +init per rating. (In SR4, did they change that for 5?) If they weren't to stack (and you take the higher bonus, which for most people would probably still be Wired), then your reaction enhancers do zippy-di-doo-dah. Which sounds wrong, because then being online wouldn't be a bonus, it'd be the only way to use your goddamn 'ware. So even offline, you should receive the +Reaction from both, and reaction figures into initiative, doesn't it? I really need to re-read those previews... Bonuses! It's bonuses! It really depends on how they interact, and how you're treating the Reflex Trigger. Technically (if you really want to run it correctly) you run with your Wired Reflexes off and you have to spend a free action to flip them on (or else you look like you're cracked out most of the time), and you don't get the Initiative (+dice in SR3, +IPs in SR4) boost until the next turn (no adding IPs mid-turn). You'd get the Reaction immediately, for what it's worth. If you know you're moving into combat, you could just have them on, of course. Reaction Enhancers have the benefit of always being on, and granting you your Reaction all the time (factoring into your base Initiative), so if you're ambushed walking your dog, your Reaction Enhancers are up, and then you flip your Wired Reflexes on, and then you need to worry about how they stack. Apparently in SR5, in 'offline' mode, the Wireless Reflexes would override the Reaction Enhancers (though I suppose you'd get to take the better of each category, so Reaction Enhancers 3 and Wired Reflexes 1 would give you 3 Reaction and +1 Initiative die) rather than stacking (+4 Reaction +1 Initiative dice), though you could take the online risk for the full set. I imagine that with deltaware Wired Reflexes 3 and Reaction Enhancers 4 (if such a thing exists) you could probably replicate Max Reaction Augmentation (+4 max for attribute augments) and Max Bonus Initiative Dice (that you could get from rating 3 WR anyway) and be offline safe and sound. EDIT: The above is just speculation about how the stacking/nonstacking would work, I don't actually know. If it's EITHER Wired Reflexes 1 (+1 Rea +1 Init) OR Reaction Enhancers (+3 Rea) I might make frowny faces at it. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 493 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Kiev, USSR Member No.: 14,536 ![]() |
A bit more than frowny faces! But yeah, I'd love to know how the stacking works and also if all the interactions are clearly spelled out - this really shouldn't be something left to houserules.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,210 Joined: 5-September 05 From: Texas Member No.: 7,685 ![]() |
Plus as a runner I want anyone AND their dog to be able to follow after me and being able to tell exactly what I was doing by checking on which of my wireless devices were connecting to the Matrix and how.
Because throwing processing power at a problem doesn't translate into being better. Additionally, it makes less sense to offload computing power instead of building it into a device - server farms are still expensive, and nobody wants their ware to go offline when the parent company goes belly up.
No, its functionally the equivalent of Sony/Ea Always-On DRM. "It has to be online or our software won't work!" "why" "BECAUSE WE SAY SO!" Even more so because you have to consider what a device DOES. Imagine if your calculator 'had' to connect to the internet to function. Fuck no. You pick that shit up and punch numbers in and it works. No hassle, no fuss, no worrying about power outages, wi-fi droppage, sunspots interfering with telecomms, MSP's being out of service for upgrades/repairs/because you forgot your bill. Fuck that. It just works. Because its build to do everything it needs to. In-Fluff-reasoning: Its even worse that the previous generation of everything just released worked offline just fine, and there's no reason to downgrade functionality. At all. You're supposed to make products BETTER, not worse with refinement. Out-of-character reasoning: This is essentially forcing the matrix down every players throats to keep hackers relevant. Its also REALLY lazy on the writers part to not go through the list of cyberware and think "Does this need to be networked to function? No. Okay, but if it optionally is, what kind of EXTRA bonus could it give?" and then also not making a distinction between Networked and OnTheMatrix. Networking a cybereye, a smartlink, and a math spu makes SENSE for bullet math. Networking it to an outside computer doesn't. Fucking PING times would ruin shots. Ever run into 'waiting for host' problems, or cross-ocean pings? That shit is not going to fly when you need to take a shot NOW. Further compounding the issue is, even under the hypothetical assumption that remote processing could make something better, then there should be a portable server that does it for you without needing to connect to the matrix. Even worse, is that the new Cyberdecks are kitbashed hardware hacks, homegrown adapters and the like to navigate the new matrix - soon as that shit came out into the open, it should have been applied to cyberware too. Also, samurais didn't need the nerf. |
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Douche ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 1,584 Joined: 2-March 11 Member No.: 23,135 ![]() |
Plus as a runner I want anyone AND their dog to be able to follow after me and being able to tell exactly what I was doing by checking on which of my wireless devices were connecting to the Matrix and how. Read what I wrote on the page before this about the Matrix being a sort of technological astral space. The Matrix doesn't exist inside meatspace anymore, meatspace exists within Matrix space. Unless you really go out into the boonies. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 332 Joined: 11-June 13 Member No.: 109,479 ![]() |
Hold on a minute. Wireless bonuses (boni?) are just that, technically. (Yes, I understand that it's less a bonus and more 'basic functionality' per older editions) but even offline, WR and RE should still provide some sort of effect. Otherwise, if you're offline, you basically have the implanted version of an expensive paperweight, which sounds wrong. From what I've read from the devs, they should still provide some sort of effect. So, assuming the bonuses are actually bonuses (as in you still retain the basic functioning of the device)... Reaction enhancers provide +1 Rea per rating. Wired provides +1 Rea per rating plus +init per rating. (In SR4, did they change that for 5?) If they weren't to stack (and you take the higher bonus, which for most people would probably still be Wired), then your reaction enhancers do zippy-di-doo-dah. Which sounds wrong, because then being online wouldn't be a bonus, it'd be the only way to use your goddamn 'ware. So even offline, you should receive the +Reaction from both, and reaction figures into initiative, doesn't it? I really need to re-read those previews... Yeah. Not having the book, I can't give you a definitive answer. Sorry. I'm with you, though. It seems like they should do something right? That's why I suggested that perhaps the best bonus applies, instead of the cumulative bonus of the two pieces working together. That would qualify for still providing some effect. QUOTE (cndblank) Plus as a runner I want anyone AND their dog to be able to follow after me and being able to tell exactly what I was doing by checking on which of my wireless devices were connecting to the Matrix and how. Nah. It shouldn't work like that. Likely the protocols are implemented to allow process sharing to occur anonymously. QUOTE (Udoshi) And this is the core of why its dumb. It shits all over how it used to work, and the reasons provided for it aren't good enough to justify such a massive backslide. A retcon is a retcon. It is what it is. And Your Individual Mileage May Vary. Having not read the core book yet, I really can't comment on whether or not the reasons provided are good enough to justify such a massive backslide. In part because I don't see the backslide as massive -- it appears that in a number of cases, the 'spirit' of the original functionality has been preserved -- and two because distributed computer is a pretty compelling case today to rethink technology models, so extrapolating it out 60 years into the future implies to me that it can accomplish some fairly impressive feats. But then again, I'm familiar with the underpinnings of modern cryptography and I'm still willing to accept the Shadowrun near-instantaneous brute force decryption that goes on, so maybe the bar I set to hand wave technology is too low. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) SR Dev: "In the future, it works different." Wired: "Oh. Okay.... shiny." *shrug* I will say, however, that by and large the existing changes to the system appear to have been very elegant and well thought out. The introduction of limits has some wildly interesting effects on the dice. The streamlining of combat should improve the 'feel' of combat and the flow. I expect this mechanic will work out fairly well (though I do have some mundane vs. awakened balance questions lingering) and I suspect that when the roar dies down, most people will probably learn to operate inside the new framework and even enjoy it while they're at it. -Wired_SR_AEGIS |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 7-June 11 From: Virginia Beach, VA Member No.: 31,052 ![]() |
Read what I wrote on the page before this about the Matrix being a sort of technological astral space. The Matrix doesn't exist inside meatspace anymore, meatspace exists within Matrix space. Unless you really go out into the boonies. This doesn't make any sense as far as needing a matrix connection. I could, instead, just have commlinks daisy-chained together to provide that additional computing. I could have commlinks whose only purpose is to provide that additional information and processing power. How many do I need? 1? 10? 100? Could I use partitioning and emulation to substitute? Co-processors? Does it MAGICALLY prevent the same processing power from working, when I program the firmware for it myself? Where does the limit sit? Why wouldn't wires, direct connection, and DNI provide better connection and response? These are the main issues. Saying "because MAGIC" or "because RESONANCE" isn't answering the questions, it's disregarding the intelligence of the audience. For some, it's insulting. I'm willing to channel this into an in-character impetus (which may relegate my character to the position of too-profitable-to-run). The superior, DNI and offline technology STILL exists, in a form that can be updated to the modern needs. If the Triple A's have abandoned that technology, there will be PLENTY of people ready to exploit it, forcing the Triple A corps to rollback their standards, or at least offer something more. That's how market forces work, even in such an economically dominated landscape as the SR 2070's. If all you can offer is argumentum ad magice as the explanation for everything, you're audience is not at all likely to feel engaged, let alone satisfied with that answer (unless your topic is something inherently interesting, such as "Why did that guy's head just explode!?"). |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,962 Joined: 27-February 13 Member No.: 76,875 ![]() |
This doesn't make any sense as far as needing a matrix connection. I could, instead, just have commlinks daisy-chained together to provide that additional computing. I could have commlinks whose only purpose is to provide that additional information and processing power. How many do I need? 1? 10? 100? Could I use partitioning and emulation to substitute? Co-processors? Does it MAGICALLY prevent the same processing power from working, when I program the firmware for it myself? Where does the limit sit? Why wouldn't wires, direct connection, and DNI provide better connection and response? These are the main issues. Saying "because MAGIC" or "because RESONANCE" isn't answering the questions, it's disregarding the intelligence of the audience. For some, it's insulting. I'm willing to channel this into an in-character impetus (which may relegate my character to the position of too-profitable-to-run). The superior, DNI and offline technology STILL exists, in a form that can be updated to the modern needs. If the Triple A's have abandoned that technology, there will be PLENTY of people ready to exploit it, forcing the Triple A corps to rollback their standards, or at least offer something more. That's how market forces work, even in such an economically dominated landscape as the SR 2070's. If all you can offer is argumentum ad magice as the explanation for everything, you're audience is not at all likely to feel engaged, let alone satisfied with that answer (unless your topic is something inherently interesting, such as "Why did that guy's head just explode!?"). You really think it's possible, in practical terms, to carry a sufficient number of devices? Because that's something I just don't buy. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 7-June 11 From: Virginia Beach, VA Member No.: 31,052 ![]() |
You really think it's possible, in practical terms, to carry a sufficient number of devices? Because that's something I just don't buy. Troll with 2 bandoleers and a belt full of commlinks daisy-chained front and back, implants... possibly a vehicle with it's own nexus. Personally-equipped sensor packs, co-processors built into each of those commlinks and each major bit of cyberware to handle additional processing power. I daresay this could easily get you up to 20-40 devices (depending on the size of the commlinks and the size of the troll). Each boot can have a built-in commlink, as could each individual article of clothing (less socks). This isn't even counting exclusive mesh access to teammates' gear, a van-installed nexus, etc. Beyond that, you ignored the fact that fully-functional DNI and wired technology already exists. Trying to enforce a new, inferior standard will fall flat when security firms and corporate armies realize they can buy, through unofficial channels, comparable offline cyber that isn't as vulnerable or update-/DRM-dependent. The technology and specifications already exist to fabricate such things, without the hazard of Always-OnLine connections. It may even be possible to "downgrade" the new tech to the old standards so that it works better, more securely. This isn't magic, this isn't unheard of, it isn't even contradictory to the Shadowrun setting, ethos, or cyberpunk as a whole. In fact, it's about as cyberpunk as you can go for Shadowrun, sticking it to the greedy corporate types by undermining their authority and their business. |
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Douche ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 1,584 Joined: 2-March 11 Member No.: 23,135 ![]() |
This doesn't make any sense as far as needing a matrix connection. I could, instead, just have commlinks daisy-chained together to provide that additional computing. I could have commlinks whose only purpose is to provide that additional information and processing power. How many do I need? 1? 10? 100? Could I use partitioning and emulation to substitute? Co-processors? Does it MAGICALLY prevent the same processing power from working, when I program the firmware for it myself? Where does the limit sit? Why wouldn't wires, direct connection, and DNI provide better connection and response? These are the main issues. Saying "because MAGIC" or "because RESONANCE" isn't answering the questions, it's disregarding the intelligence of the audience. For some, it's insulting. I'm willing to channel this into an in-character impetus (which may relegate my character to the position of too-profitable-to-run). The superior, DNI and offline technology STILL exists, in a form that can be updated to the modern needs. If the Triple A's have abandoned that technology, there will be PLENTY of people ready to exploit it, forcing the Triple A corps to rollback their standards, or at least offer something more. That's how market forces work, even in such an economically dominated landscape as the SR 2070's. If all you can offer is argumentum ad magice as the explanation for everything, you're audience is not at all likely to feel engaged, let alone satisfied with that answer (unless your topic is something inherently interesting, such as "Why did that guy's head just explode!?"). There are a thousand reasons you could give. I'm leaning toward the one that says DNIs as wired data-carrying devices are sufficiently immersed in the Matrix to be affected by Matrix signals anyway, and you can no longer get your free offline lunch. After all, Technomancers aren't really magic, you know, they're people who are extra-sensitive to that Matrix soup everyone's living in and have bypassed the need for technology to interact with it. If you go down this road, you could arguably explain why Technomancers lose Resonance if they take cyberware, since the cyberware interactions with the Matrix confuse their natural senses. Anyway, you guys are the ones that bought into the transhumanist singularity data cloud aspects introduced in SR4, you might as well accept the consequences of the genre. |
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Freelance Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 ![]() |
Okay, so Wired and Enhancers don't stack with Matrix turned off. So what does that mean? Which 'ware takes precedence? Do you get to choose? Or is it the highest init bonus? Or, assuming, RE's only boost reaction as in SR3...you don't get the core functionality of the gear? Or what? I have trouble imagining how they wouldn't stack. Items that aren't compatible with one another grant only the benefit of the better of the two. They can be implanted in a character, but you only get the benefit of whichever is better. So, using the WR example, when you turn your wireless off, you're basically also turning off either your Reaction Enhancers or your Wired Reflexes, whichever gives you less of a bonus (which will, of course, vary from character to character depending on what ranks they got of each. It's worth pointing out that it's a particularly potent wireless bonus (which makes it kind of funny that people keep mentioning it as the default), because not only does it let two pieces of init-enhancing 'ware stack (which is normally a no-no), but it also specifically lets you bypass the "augmented attribute maximum is natural stat +4" bonus...and is, in fact, the only combo in the book that lets you do so, right off the top of my head. All just FYI. |
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Douche ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 1,584 Joined: 2-March 11 Member No.: 23,135 ![]() |
Items that aren't compatible with one another grant only the benefit of the better of the two. They can be implanted in a character, but you only get the benefit of whichever is better. So, using the WR example, when you turn your wireless off, you're basically also turning off either your Reaction Enhancers or your Wired Reflexes, whichever gives you less of a bonus (which will, of course, vary from character to character depending on what ranks they got of each. It's worth pointing out that it's a particularly potent wireless bonus (which makes it kind of funny that people keep mentioning it as the default), because not only does it let two pieces of init-enhancing 'ware stack (which is normally a no-no), but it also specifically lets you bypass the "augmented attribute maximum is natural stat +4" bonus...and is, in fact, the only combo in the book that lets you do so, right off the top of my head. All just FYI. Okay, screw it, this is killer. WR3 and RE3 online for 12 Reaction and 4d6 Initiative dice. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,962 Joined: 27-February 13 Member No.: 76,875 ![]() |
Troll with 2 bandoleers and a belt full of commlinks daisy-chained front and back, implants... possibly a vehicle with it's own nexus. Personally-equipped sensor packs, co-processors built into each of those commlinks and each major bit of cyberware to handle additional processing power. I daresay this could easily get you up to 20-40 devices (depending on the size of the commlinks and the size of the troll). Each boot can have a built-in commlink, as could each individual article of clothing (less socks). This isn't even counting exclusive mesh access to teammates' gear, a van-installed nexus, etc. Beyond that, you ignored the fact that fully-functional DNI and wired technology already exists. Trying to enforce a new, inferior standard will fall flat when security firms and corporate armies realize they can buy, through unofficial channels, comparable offline cyber that isn't as vulnerable or update-/DRM-dependent. The technology and specifications already exist to fabricate such things, without the hazard of Always-OnLine connections. It may even be possible to "downgrade" the new tech to the old standards so that it works better, more securely. This isn't magic, this isn't unheard of, it isn't even contradictory to the Shadowrun setting, ethos, or cyberpunk as a whole. In fact, it's about as cyberpunk as you can go for Shadowrun, sticking it to the greedy corporate types by undermining their authority and their business. Still seems like notably less then what would typically be in a 1 kilometer radius. And DNI/wired doesn't replace distributed computing, so no, I haven't ignored that - it is simply not relevant to the question. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 ![]() |
Didn't see it posted here yet, so thanks to KI here it is: Wireless boni in all their greatness
Hard to pick a favorite in this clusterfuck, but I think the Internal Air Tank takes the pize: You have an air tank implanted, it is connected via DNI, but that DNI cannot monitor filling levels and it needs the distributed computing power of the matrix to transmit the immensely complex "open valve" command. DAFUQ DID YOU GUYS SMOKE? |
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
Yes, the bonus stuff is seriously dumb . .
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Ain Soph Aur ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 ![]() |
I think I need to understand your thought processes more. At a high level, it starts with this: Why do you play Shadowrun?
And I think it drills down like this: Are you Players or GMs? If you're a player, do you get any enjoyment out of roleplaying? Do you get enjoyment out of challenges? Cause some players only like RPGs because they make a min-maxed character that can't be hurt he's so edge-case built. What kind of player are you? What are you looking for in Shadowrun? If you're a GM, do you come up with your own ideas or you just run module (like, say Corporate Intrigue, the Artifacts missions, etc)? Do you have persionality issues with your players? Are you always trying to fuck them over while they try to fuck you over? Or does the GM and players work cooperatively to build something everyone likes? |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,113 Joined: 24-January 13 From: Here to Eternity Member No.: 70,521 ![]() |
Got as far down that list as the first item before having to close the tab and running to the bathroom to puke.
Igoring that stupidity, I came back and read as far as the second listed item QUOTE Survival Knife: AR-display GPS functions, can be used to make comm-calls. "Hello, can you hear me ? ... no wait .. let me wave this thing around till I get a signal ........... let me call you back, there's been a terrible accident!" |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 ![]() |
Didn't see it posted here yet, so thanks to KI here it is: Wireless boni in all their greatness Hard to pick a favorite in this clusterfuck, but I think the Internal Air Tank takes the pize: You have an air tank implanted, it is connected via DNI, but that DNI cannot monitor filling levels and it needs the distributed computing power of the matrix to transmit the immensely complex "open valve" command. DAFUQ DID YOU GUYS SMOKE? Sorry, but most of it does not sound that silly, if you are ready to deal with the idea that they might have streamlined the matrix rules. If you go online (no matter to do what and if it is even to exchange data with your granade) you are online and in the matrix. I like it, because it streamlines the matrix a bit with the astral world. Most things in the real world get their counterpart in the matrix if they get active. I like the general Idea a lot. Yeah a lot of the things sound like: We had no idea what to do with it. But if you go with the idea Epicedion brought up it makes sense. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,113 Joined: 24-January 13 From: Here to Eternity Member No.: 70,521 ![]() |
Yeah a lot of the things sound like: We had no idea what to do with it. But if you go with the idea Epicedion brought up it makes sense. looks like as long as you can get your head round the way they "think" a distributed network, works, apparently every device is 'Dumb' and the network is a web of 'Smart' Access point controllers, that use the distributed computing power for majority of things (that require it) but it seems all your gear needs the wifi connection to even activate Cyberspurs - I mean really ? needs a web connection to find the intelligence necessary to extract from sheath? even if you take the following to be true and they fugged up. "Needs a connection to the Matrix" to mean "Needs a connection to your PAN" I'll have whatever they been smokin' |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 ![]() |
If you go online (no matter to do what and if it is even to exchange data with your granade) you are online and in the matrix. And if I only connect to the item but don't connect to the matrix as a whole I'm somehow not "online enough" Wireless grenade in a Faraday cage? Nope, the grenade may be in your PAN but not in the matrix, so no wireless detonation Gecko Gloves connected to your datajack by FO cable? That is not a connection capable of transmitting the "gecko off" command, you need to relay that connection through the matrix first Defiance EX Taser? Well, it specifically has wires but those wires cannot transmit information, nor can the darts send the data to some other device (like your commlink), the taser needs to be online to receive the health data But if you are indeed convinced that "most of it does not sound that silly", that would be at least 31 of 61 items in the list. Have fun... QUOTE I like it, because it streamlines the matrix a bit with the astral world. ...which cannot work, because unlike astral space the topology matrix is in no way bound to the layout of the physical world. The matrix representation of Renraku's glass skyscraper might look like a Pagoda with completely different architecture, where exactly are you going to place the coffee machine in floor 100 there? @Mach10: I think we can say without reservation that all the "matrix connection reduces this to Simple/Free Action" stuff needs to be killed with fire. Bipods that need a connection to Folding@Home, WTF Catalyst? Have they been hotboxing on a chemical dump site? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 7-June 11 From: Virginia Beach, VA Member No.: 31,052 ![]() |
looks like as long as you can get your head round the way they "think" a distributed network, works, apparently every device is 'Dumb' and the network is a web of 'Smart' Access point controllers, that use the distributed computing power for majority of things (that require it) but it seems all your gear needs the wifi connection to even activate Cyberspurs - I mean really ? needs a web connection to find the intelligence necessary to extract from sheath? even if you take the following to be true and they fugged up. "Needs a connection to the Matrix" to mean "Needs a connection to your PAN" I'll have whatever they been smokin' I can get behind this. I can understand if some of these "Matrix Bonuses" were really just "Wireless Bonuses." It doesn't sound like most of them realistically NEED a connection to the matrix, just a connection to your PAN. The grenade makes sense to have a PAN connection, which could still expose it to hacking attempts. WR+RE speaking to each other via PAN isn't unreasonable either, though a direct connection would be much more efficient, and a simple data-processing module would be perfectly understandable as an addition to eliminate that need for the security-conscious individual (possibly at some essence/capacity loss for the implant) for those implants requiring additional processing power, even give such an implant a "device limit," and force them to pre-register/hard-wire the devices with it before implanting. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 ![]() |
[quote name='Sengir' date='Jun 26 2013, 01:24 PM' post='1236893']
And if I only connect to the item but don't connect to the matrix as a whole I'm somehow not "online enough" Wireless grenade in a Faraday cage? Nope, the grenade may be in your PAN but not in the matrix, so no wireless detonation Gecko Gloves connected to your datajack by FO cable? That is not a connection capable of transmitting the "gecko off" command, you need to relay that connection through the matrix first Defiance EX Taser? Well, it specifically has wires but those wires cannot transmit information, nor can the darts send the data to some other device (like your commlink), the taser needs to be online to receive the health data But if you are indeed convinced that "most of it does not sound that silly", that would be at least 31 of 61 items in the list. Have fun... [quote] No you can't. You send a wireless signal and it is part of the matrix. Then again, I do not get your problem. You are totally free to ignore the matrix connection and to ignore the boni. You find the silly, well you do not need to use them, at ALL. This rule is inherently optional. Thats like saying: I think datajacks suck. Alright, you do not need to get any... |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 ![]() |
[quote name='Sengir' date='Jun 26 2013, 01:24 PM' post='1236893']
And if I only connect to the item but don't connect to the matrix as a whole I'm somehow not "online enough" Wireless grenade in a Faraday cage? Nope, the grenade may be in your PAN but not in the matrix, so no wireless detonation Gecko Gloves connected to your datajack by FO cable? That is not a connection capable of transmitting the "gecko off" command, you need to relay that connection through the matrix first Defiance EX Taser? Well, it specifically has wires but those wires cannot transmit information, nor can the darts send the data to some other device (like your commlink), the taser needs to be online to receive the health data But if you are indeed convinced that "most of it does not sound that silly", that would be at least 31 of 61 items in the list. Have fun... [quote] No you can't. You send a wireless signal and it is part of the matrix. Then again, I do not get your problem. You are totally free to ignore the matrix connection and to ignore the boni. You find the silly, well you do not need to use them, at ALL. This rule is inherently optional. Thats like saying: I think datajacks suck. Alright, you do not need to get any... What I think this rule is trying to do, is to get rid of interconnecting devices inside your body, logic be damned. |
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
looks like as long as you can get your head round the way they "think" a distributed network, works, apparently every device is 'Dumb' and the network is a web of 'Smart' Access point controllers, that use the distributed computing power for majority of things (that require it) but it seems all your gear needs the wifi connection to even activate Cyberspurs - I mean really ? needs a web connection to find the intelligence necessary to extract from sheath? even if you take the following to be true and they fugged up. "Needs a connection to the Matrix" to mean "Needs a connection to your PAN" I'll have whatever they been smokin' Hmm . . activating cyberware/DNI-Stuff was always a free action . . wonder if that will be a contradiction in the rules or if that changed. . |
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