touché (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

But it would give them a excuse then for any delays.


Boss:Dammit where are those errata for the rigger section?

Staff: Um, think TJ and Sendaz said something about testing out the crashing rules out in the parking lot sir

Boss: You mean playtesting...

Staff: Ummmm...

*CRASH*

*rapid footsteps to the window*

Boss: My CAR!!!!

Rules for making good beer.
Germans get a Bonus.
Americans and Australians get a Malus.
Everybody else is mostly neutral.

Ehehehe, have you tried Baltika?

What about Canadians, eh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

And Belgians. Belgians have some good beers too.
Now, is there anything on the errata about drugs and how alcohol (mostly from beers, also dependent on location) affect the runners? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Russians make Beer? (Probably tastes like Vodka).
And do THEY have errata?

English should get a Bonus too !!

IIRC Monty Pythons once said:
American beer is like making love in a canoe....
Fucking close to water

with a derailing Dance
Medicineman

Nope, and from what I've heard it's not planned, either.

And seriously, the only thing worse than this pissbrew-filled tourist trap down south are the knock-offs it has spawned abroad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
(And why is everybody forgetting Czech beer?)

And it's exported, too. Baltika 9 has been said to taste of vodka for its 9 percent of alcohol.

We don't have rules in Russian, to begin with. PnP RPGs are hugely niche, and most everyone in the hobby knows English. The RPG mainstream is LARP and historical reconstruction I believe.
So the closest we get to errata are the pages of houserules I write :3

Another option might be tracking rules issues with bug tracking software like Bugzilla. People could then at least see what's been looked at, what's confirmed as an error, read and offer alternatives, etc even if there's no agreed solution yet.

Of course it does... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



Understandable... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If it's good enough for us to drink, we don't export it.

Here, have some Fosters. *tries to keep a straight face*

I can't believe anyone buys that stuff.

3 pages raging about errata. 2 pages serious discussion about who makes the best beer.

Lets start with beer: Germany gets +4 , 2nd Belgium/ Czech Republic each get +2 but only with wireless on. Russians get free specialisation (Baltika)

About errata:
+ Better than no errata (if this is seriously a point)
+ Nice mystic-adept changes (was way to powerful)
+ fixed sample characters, while i dont need them i honestly think this is important to new players

- is somebody else missing backgroundcount?
- it took 8 playtesters, 2 "freelancers" and 6 months to get 3 and a half pages together, like really?!
- not all issues fixed, not even close

Also i kind of liked the new recoil-rule. Now it seems that noone ever again would use full-auto.

Edit:

Liked that one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)

That's absolutely brilliant.
Legal Question: If one were to only reference the book and never cite any actual rules text, would there be any infringements of anybody's rights at all? Is it legal to post modified rules that are somewhat similar to what is in the book, as long as it is sufficiently different/creative on it's own?
Is there anything else that could legally stop people from doing just that? Because seriously, right now I have way more trust in the community than in CGL. They done goofed and I really don't want to wait several years for a new version of SR that is actually playable.

so... better than CGL, then? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)



it probably took 8 playtesters, 2 freelancers, and a week to get much more than that together, actually. that doesn't mean the errata gets approved or released. they can make recommendations, they can point out weird stuff, they can put together a file... but they cannot release it as official errata. that requires someone else.

most likely the work has been done for months, for the most part, and has been sitting in someone's inbox waiting for them to care enough to bother looking into the matter at all (that is, if there wasn't a potential third printing in the near future, CGL probably still wouldn't be releasing any errata or checking in on what those freelancers have actually done).

the thing i find most funny is that there are things that even made it into the missions hotfix, but didn't make it into the errata i think (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I was just hoping they had a compiled list of the changes they put in...in English preferably (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Fredericksburg is basically Texas' version of Germantown. Looooots of immigrant families there who still run microbreweries.

You know that for sure? I mean how does it actually work? 8 playtesters, 2 freelancers and half a year of work tell "THEM" what to do and "THEY" just say "no, mentorspirit raven is balanced noone cares for backgroundcount" or what? I honestly dont think so.



Yup, like backgroundcount (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Oh, please, you can't REALLY have expected to see Background Count - that wasn't a core element in SR4, either, and I'm gonna guess it wasn't in previous editions.

I was, it was, it was.

If its irony, screw me for being a german Hund.

You need to check SR4 again - background count rules were in Street Magic. Or perhaps I should specify that I don't mean extended core.

Because logic does not have a chief benefit it in fact does not have any benefit at all for magic, so giving it equally to logic mages would balance things. right now since charsma gets literally everything that is not magc attribute or astral perception(intuition) they are horribly overpowered compared to logic traditions. Every single mention of charisma should be drain stat, not charisma as there is not a single logic mention. want to punch something in the astral, oh charisma, want more bound spirits, charisma, want more watchers/minions charisma, your astral limit is either because oh noes if it was just liogic it might have balanced astral combat instead of again heavily swaying it towards charisma, want to resist a totem penalty guess what its charisma.

and hell outside of magic for mages charisma is more useful, there is a reason people always are building face/mages and not engineer mages.

Edit sorry i found one thing logic does it helps you gather reagents. Lol one thing, compared to a paragraph of crap all of which individually are more important than that benefit and the balance is solid now?

You're free to think what you want to think, but please be aware that the people who know, and who would dearly love to explain, aren't able to do so because NDAs prohibit the sharing of backstage discussions.

I think RHat is referring to how BGC was not in the core SR4 book itself, but rather reintroduced in the Street Magic Book for 4th edition purposes.

3rd had its version and 5th will as well, but typically in the magic splat books for players wanting more detail in their magic.

Those people who know should secretly include an unbound third party with a big mouth in their backstage discussions.