 Great Dragon of Aztlan?, Corruped Great Dragon of Aztlan!!!??? |
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  Feb 14 2014, 07:57 PM
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CORRUPTED Great Dragon of Azis!!??
Hi. Was reading The Clutch of Dragons and on the page 36(book)\38(pdf) found an astonishing comment of Man-of-Many-Names. "> There are rumors that an escaped Azzie drake of considerable power is running around Central America. I suspect it may be one of those true drakes, but there aren’t any Azzie great dragons. > Glasswalker > That you know. > Man-of-Many-Names" And my mind started the race against time and managed to win it. One dusty corner had kept the following passage: ">>>>>[Hoi. Well. This dragon drek. Maybe I did see something. I didn’t want to say anything at first ’cause I didn’t want to get flamed. But hey, maybe it’s important. I don’t know. I saw a dragon, an eastern dragon, landing on top of the Aztechnology pyramid in Tenochtitlán. Saw it from the astral. I was on a vision quest. It was a big dragon, but there was something hinky about it. Something ... off about its aura. I didn’t like it. It scared me. Black patches. Blank patches. Like you see when somebody’s got cyber, kind of—’cept the blank patches didn’t connect with the physical part of the dragon. They connected more with its mind, its essence. Its soul, maybe. And those patches kind of writhed … It landed on the pyramid. Then it went inside. Last I saw of it. But it was there. And it was big.]<<<<< —Bobby Two Eagles (11:25:15/5-27-56) :::::[JUNGLE CAT] He saw this on a vision quest?? That alarms me more than anything else. :::::[WORDSMYTH] The source is questionable, Cat, despite what you might believe. But … black and blank patches in his aura that writhed?? That sounds like something of which this person should have no knowledge … :::::[LADY OF THE COURT] Is it what I think it is? :::::[HECATE] You are too young to have experienced it personally, my dear, but yes. It sounds like Corruption. :::::[THE LAUGHING MAN] You would know, my dear. :::::[THE BIG ‘D’] QUIET! We are at the heart of the matter! :::::[THE LAUGHING MAN] I thought we might be, old wyrm. And I’ll admit this requires further investigation—but additional supposition here is pointless. We’re treading on deep dark secrets I suspect we’d rather not bring up in mixed company. The wounds, for some, are too fresh … Oh, dear, now I’m sounding like the wordster. :::::[WORDSMYTH] Remarkably, again I must agree with my painted friend. This sounds potentially dangerous; the implications are frightening. But if we are only going to wander into territory that causes dissent, we should stop, acquire more information, and then speak again. :::::[THE BIG ‘D’] Words! Words! How much more time will slip past? The cycles repeat themselves truly, do they not? You would all stand idly by while this horror continues until you can “research” it more and “discuss” it further? :::::[THE LAUGHING MAN] I for one will not be inactive, my friend. Fate has already dragged me into this. I will continue my fight. :::::[LADY OF THE COURT] Oh, please …" It's from the book "Location Sourcebook - Aztlan", SR 3rd Edition. Am i a slowpok again that didn't pay any attention at this ticklish info??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif) PS The passage from Dunkelzan's Will "To the first party to determine what lies behind the door of room 5B78 of the Aztechnology Pyramid in Tenochtitlán and file a report of their findings on Shadowland, I leave 5 million nuyen or medical care for the remainder of their natural life, whichever seems most appropriate." also popped up, but that's nothing in comparison to bloody corrupted great dragon!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif) |
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Feb 14 2014, 08:24 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
QUOTE (kirtimlak @ Feb 14 2014, 08:57 PM)  It's from the book "Location Sourcebook - Aztlan", SR 3rd Edition. Second edition. Published in 1995, and set in 2056. |
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Feb 14 2014, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (Nath @ Feb 14 2014, 09:24 PM) Second edition. Published in 1995, and set in 2056. Ye, of course, my bad. Any ideas on the topic? |
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Feb 14 2014, 08:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 8-November 07 Member No.: 14,097 |
Wow, that's some pretty corny writing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) "Let's not discuss this horrible ancient secret." "Yes, let's discuss how we're not going to talk about this horrible ancient secret."
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Feb 14 2014, 08:57 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 59 Joined: 4-January 14 From: Moscow Metro hideout Member No.: 186,333 |
Even if we admit that we know ALL the great ones, the only Great Dragon that we know of and that could be corrupted is... Feuerschwinge.
She had PLENTY of time to get to Tenochtitlan... |
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Feb 14 2014, 09:35 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Feuerschwinge, the twisted Mutated Great Dragon of Radiation?
That Feuerschwinge? In Aztlan? Unlikely at best i guess. |
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Feb 14 2014, 09:46 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 |
Also Feuer is Western dragon (which sports wings) while your mystery flyer was Eastern (no wings, narrower body) in appearance.
Of course, a Great could just as easy morph its form, but in that case why fly in which will be noticed when they can just walk in the front/side door in a more compact form.... Also while taking other metahuman forms is not uncommon, you will find most dragons would be loathe to take on another spellwyrm's appearance as it is just poor manners, draconically speaking. And it was more than one drake that got out from under the Azzie thumb.... |
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Feb 14 2014, 09:49 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
right. that. i forgot.
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Feb 14 2014, 10:06 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 59 Joined: 4-January 14 From: Moscow Metro hideout Member No.: 186,333 |
QUOTE (Sendaz @ Feb 14 2014, 10:46 PM) Also Feuer is Western dragon (which sports wings) while your mystery flyer was Eastern (no wings, narrower body) in appearance. True again. How thoughtlessly. What then? Maybe FASA has just put this storyline on the shelf? 've just read the SR2 Aztlan to the end. 1 - Someone has tought the Blood Magic to Azis. 2 - Turns out they have a Locus down there... somewhere... Again this door from Big_D's Will comes to mind. 3 - The best of the best Blood Spirits are summoned through sacrifice of... dracoforms. I wonder, where the public execution of Dzitbalchen is described? Honestly, i do not think that anyone wants Aztlan as a great-bad-guys anymore. Less and less black and wite - more and more shades of grey(( |
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Feb 14 2014, 10:13 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 59 Joined: 4-January 14 From: Moscow Metro hideout Member No.: 186,333 |
QUOTE (Sendaz @ Feb 14 2014, 10:46 PM) And it was more than one drake that got out from under the Azzie thumb.... No, here they are speaking about True Drakes "There are other drakes, however—“true” drakes, beings created by tremendous feats of draconic magic that are difficult and strenuous for even the great dragons to perform. Accordingly, the only true drakes of which foundation is aware serve Lofwyr, Alamais, Ghostwalker, or Lung. Unlike the people who have Awakened as drakes, these are dracoforms first and metahumans a distant second. Interacting with those who have come under the Draco Foundation’s protection was o en like trying to have a conversation with /dev/grrl." TCoD, 35 QUOTE (Sendaz @ Feb 14 2014, 10:46 PM) Of course, a Great could just as easy morph its form, but in that case why fly in which will be noticed when they can just walk in the front/side door in a more compact form.... Also while taking other metahuman forms is not uncommon, you will find most dragons would be loathe to take on another spellwyrm's appearance as it is just poor manners, draconically speaking. Everyone makes mistakes. Az is based on blood magic for how many years? And only once some random Bobby randomly noticed it in great form. If any astral-perceiver could do it, i highly doubt that that this dragon appeared "outdoors" often. |
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Feb 14 2014, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 14 2014, 10:35 PM) Feuerschwinge, the twisted Mutated Great Dragon of Radiation? That Feuerschwinge? In Aztlan? Unlikely at best i guess. just the only wild guess i have. u are one of the elder ones. Have you had any ideas 'bout that since 1995? |
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Feb 14 2014, 10:21 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 59 Joined: 4-January 14 From: Moscow Metro hideout Member No.: 186,333 |
QUOTE (Sponge @ Feb 14 2014, 09:41 PM) Wow, that's some pretty corny writing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) "Let's not discuss this horrible ancient secret." "Yes, let's discuss how we're not going to talk about this horrible ancient secret." Exactly. Has any actions been taken by them? Maybe there are some official missions describing further Azi investigation, initiated by H. of Ehran? |
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Feb 14 2014, 10:34 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
Ok, let's not lose our heads here. What we have is a mention of a corrupted dragon (pretty much proven by the discussion in Atzlan), and an off-hand mention that he could be a Great, which is proven by nothing at all (even if Man-of-Many-Names is a reputable shadowtalker, Clutch of Dragons is a late 4e high-quality book written and edited by CGL professionals). I wouldn't trust that notion too much.
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Feb 14 2014, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 14 2014, 11:34 PM) Ok, let's not lose our heads here. What we have is a mention of a corrupted dragon (pretty much proven by the discussion in Atzlan), and an off-hand mention that he could be a Great, which is proven by nothing at all (even if Man-of-Many-Names is a reputable shadowtalker, Clutch of Dragons is a late 4e high-quality book written and edited by CGL professionals). I wouldn't trust that notion too much. Considered. At first i thought: Who could survive since the Theran Empire to pass the knowledge of Blood Magic to Azia? The second thought - why should it be a living person? If it is majorly bound to specific places and background, cold the intuitive knowledge of it AWAKEN in a mortal, dwelling in proximity to a Locus in a construction that is (at least!) 5 000 years old? |
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Feb 14 2014, 10:55 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
All I know is that this has inspired me...
Pity my players. Pity them. |
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Feb 14 2014, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Feb 14 2014, 11:55 PM) All I know is that this has inspired me... Pity my players. Pity them. Share your ideas when they take a form, be so un_kind! *devilish loughter* Edited: "or medical care" - he said."...for the remainder of their natural life" - he said... NATURAL is the word that intrigues, doesn't it? |
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Feb 14 2014, 11:14 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
QUOTE (kirtimlak @ Feb 14 2014, 11:47 PM) Who could survive since the Theran Empire to pass the knowledge of Blood Magic to Azia? In Earthdawn era, blood magic was not the sole province of the Theran Empire. Such knowledge may come from another source. Blood Wood immortal elves for instance, or...QUOTE Dragons, page 44
Feathered dragons are most often found quite far from Barsaive, in the warm, tropical lands across the great ocean, near Araucania, where they are called Quetzal by the native Name-givers. [...] Feather dragons are the only dragons to make any significant use of blood magic, specifically the more powerful and dangerous forms of blood magic that you know as death magic. They understand the fire that flows in the veins of dragonkind and, to a lesser degree, within all creatures. In their own lands, feathered dragons have used blood magic to heal the damage done to the land by the Scourge, repairing scars and making the jungles fertile once again.. The elves of the Blood Wood could take some lessons from the feathered dragons in using blood magic to enhance growth without twisting the land and its creatures beyond recognition. There is a definite split among the feathered dragons concerning the different uses of blood magic. Some feathered dragons are strongly opposed to death magic: that is, blood magic used solely for power. These dragons consider death magic inherently wrong, and suggest that is partakes the power of the Horrors, and can only prolong the presence of those Horrors remaining since the Scourge. While they understand and appreciate the value of life magic, used to aid and restore life, these dragons see the two forms of blood magic as inextricably linked, and fear that use of one ype leads to use of the other. The second group of feathered dragons believe all forms of blood magic, whether life magic or death magic, are, like all magic, merely power: tool beyond good and evil, to be used for whatever ends they see fit. It saddens me that there are some among my kind who have failed to learn the lessons of the past. Perhaps most frightening about the feathered dragons' use of blood magic is their propagation of its use to other Name-givers. There are some feathered dragons who teach and encourage the use of blood magic, specifically death magic, among the Young Races that live near them. I do not understand the purpose of this practice, and I fear its ultimate consequences. Fortunately, this practice is not widespread, and most feathered dragons oppose passing such potentially dangerous knowledge on to others. What began as a philosophical argument has grown over the years to become a a serious rift among feathered dragons (good enough reason to leave blood magic alone, in my view). I have heard tales from the hot lands of the south of feathered dragons fighting and even killing each other over the matter of blood magic. Some suggest there may be a Horror at work, corrupting some feathered dragons through the use of death magic. I cannot say, but I hope that reason prevails and the feathered dragons are able to settle their differences according to our tradition rather than repeating the mistakes of the past. |
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Feb 14 2014, 11:18 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (kirtimlak @ Feb 14 2014, 11:17 PM) just the only wild guess i have. u are one of the elder ones. Have you had any ideas 'bout that since 1995? No. And i think Ancient History once somewhere declared that door to be a MacGuffin only. Some place where a GM can put whatever he wants there to be behind that door. And seeing how he made the best compilation of Both immortals/Dragons and the Will AND he was one of the FreeLancers for SR i am taking that to be true then. |
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Feb 15 2014, 12:06 AM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
QUOTE At first i thought: Who could survive since the Theran Empire to pass the knowledge of Blood Magic to Azia? -> a spirit -> a Passion/Mentor/Totem/Idol -> the sire of Deinastras (sic) - those immortal humans behind the Ordo Maximus -> Mr. Darke -> Thais -> Harlequin, struck by an idea that seemed awesome at the time To name just a few. |
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Feb 15 2014, 12:07 AM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 15 2014, 03:18 AM) No. That's how a lot of stuff used to work in SR, and sadly doesn't anymore.And i think Ancient History once somewhere declared that door to be a MacGuffin only. Some place where a GM can put whatever he wants there to be behind that door. And seeing how he made the best compilation of Both immortals/Dragons and the Will AND he was one of the FreeLancers for SR i am taking that to be true then. |
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Feb 15 2014, 12:12 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Thais i could see working . . half snake lower body half human upper body, wings and son of an IE and a Horror(don't ask)
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Feb 15 2014, 12:23 AM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
Now, the real question would be who taught Howling Coyote magic, and if the CIA had that someone assassinated in revenge.
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Feb 15 2014, 12:24 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (Fatum @ Feb 15 2014, 01:23 AM) Now, the real question would be who taught Howling Coyote magic, and if the CIA had that someone assassinated in revenge. He was a shaman. So Coyote did it. |
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Feb 15 2014, 01:39 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,089 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (kirtimlak @ Feb 14 2014, 09:57 PM) Even if we admit that we know ALL the great ones, the only Great Dragon that we know of and that could be corrupted is... Feuerschwinge. She had PLENTY of time to get to Tenochtitlan... I'm pretty sure there was a corrupted great in Earthdawn already... |
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Feb 15 2014, 02:15 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
QUOTE (kirtimlak @ Feb 14 2014, 05:08 PM) Share your ideas when they take a form, be so un_kind! *devilish loughter* Edited: "or medical care" - he said."...for the remainder of their natural life" - he said... NATURAL is the word that intrigues, doesn't it? Well, those magical burns will kill you, naturally. |
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