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Lobo0705
post Apr 1 2014, 01:51 PM
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Standard Noise for the Warrens is 2.

You are going to be on the Public Grid - so that is another 2 points of noise

If you are more than 100 meters from your drones, that is another point of noise.

Since you have 3 points for noise reduction/sharing, if you are trying to get rid of Noise, the best thing to do would be to run:

Noise Reduction: 2
Sharing 1

And use the Sharing rating to run the Signal Scrub program.

This would mean you would have 4 points of Noise Reduction - so if your drones stay within 100 meters, you have no noise penalty.
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post Apr 1 2014, 01:51 PM
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@Chrome,

Another option is to convince Greeley and Chomsky to let you be on the stage with them - that would put you above the crowd.
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post Apr 1 2014, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Apr 1 2014, 09:51 AM) *
Standard Noise for the Warrens is 2.

You are going to be on the Public Grid - so that is another 2 points of noise

If you are more than 100 meters from your drones, that is another point of noise.

Since you have 3 points for noise reduction/sharing, if you are trying to get rid of Noise, the best thing to do would be to run:

Noise Reduction: 2
Sharing 1

And use the Sharing rating to run the Signal Scrub program.

This would mean you would have 4 points of Noise Reduction - so if your drones stay within 100 meters, you have no noise penalty.


That is what I'll do- thanks!
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post Apr 1 2014, 02:26 PM
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Is there a problem with the whole "you can't share programs with your drones if they're running their own autosoft" deal? I think I've seen some people interpret it to strictly mean autosoft rather than other cyberprograms you may be sharing (at the same time, by that strict reading, you can't share cyberprograms through an RCC at all). With that said, I think you could run signal scrub on the RCC (without sharing) and still have it benefit any command you send to a slaved drone.

ETA: The rigger section is depressingly vague and conflicted.
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post Apr 1 2014, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Apr 1 2014, 09:26 AM) *
Is there a problem with the whole "you can't share programs with your drones if they're running their own autosoft" deal? I think I've seen some people interpret it to strictly mean autosoft rather than other cyberprograms you may be sharing (at the same time, by that strict reading, you can't share cyberprograms through an RCC at all). With that said, I think you could run signal scrub on the RCC (without sharing) and still have it benefit any command you send to a slaved drone.

ETA: The rigger section is depressingly vague and conflicted.


I AGREE 100%

I have been trying to understand rigging from the get-go when I first picked up the 5th Ed book in December, Drone Riggers being such an amazing archetype. And I am still lost how it really works, the explanations given are brief and non committal. (As though they hadn't even figured it out themselves when it went into publishing...)
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post Apr 1 2014, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Apr 1 2014, 09:26 AM) *
Is there a problem with the whole "you can't share programs with your drones if they're running their own autosoft" deal? I think I've seen some people interpret it to strictly mean autosoft rather than other cyberprograms you may be sharing (at the same time, by that strict reading, you can't share cyberprograms through an RCC at all). With that said, I think you could run signal scrub on the RCC (without sharing) and still have it benefit any command you send to a slaved drone.

ETA: The rigger section is depressingly vague and conflicted.


Here is my understanding (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Autosofts and Programs are two totally different things.

By Grease running Signal Scrub, he gains -2 Noise reduction on all his Matrix interactions with his drones. It isn't "shared" per se, since the programs are't for the drones, they are for the Rigger. They benefit him in that when he makes his Control Device test to remote control the drones, he has less of a noise penalty.

If Grease runs Clearsight, then all of his drones could share it, unless one of them was running a different Autosoft, in which case they could not gain the benefit of Clearsight.
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post Apr 1 2014, 03:32 PM
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Well being on top of the girders is out of the question. Amy could be on stage, but she doesn't want to attract attention to her so I think that's out as well.

I can think of going to the side as an option. Crowds don't gather to the side of the stage because you can't see it well, while in that position you can still see what goes on with the crowd, and also on the stage. She wouldn't be far from Chomsky and Greeley, and Jack will be even closer to them. And she will have a decent view of at least the front of the crowd, better than if she was right in front of the stage at least, where there would be too many people. She can quickly climb on the stage to intervene and get a better view if needed.

Does anyone have a better idea?
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post Apr 1 2014, 03:35 PM
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Gotcha, I was confused by "And use the Sharing rating to run the Signal Scrub program."

I totally agree with your clarified interpretation. (really could use some clarity in the rules though since a drone could certainly benefit from some cyberprograms).

ETA: I don't really think there would be a problem for Amy to be "backstage" off to the side. There will probably be other people in the vicinity. I think her main thing is going to be being able to see Greeley and Chomsky in the event of magical attack for spell defense.
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post Apr 1 2014, 03:36 PM
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No, your plan sounds solid. Putting you right on the stage would draw far to many eyes, (Amy and Drave both had to wear disguises,) so beside the stage is a very good position. You will at least be concealed in a sea of other volunteers watching on from there.
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post Apr 1 2014, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Apr 1 2014, 11:31 AM) *
Here is my understanding (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Autosofts and Programs are two totally different things.

By Grease running Signal Scrub, he gains -2 Noise reduction on all his Matrix interactions with his drones. It isn't "shared" per se, since the programs are't for the drones, they are for the Rigger. They benefit him in that when he makes his Control Device test to remote control the drones, he has less of a noise penalty.

If Grease runs Clearsight, then all of his drones could share it, unless one of them was running a different Autosoft, in which case they could not gain the benefit of Clearsight.


The whole programs being different than autosofts makes sense, as I had no idea how the Riggers could run all the programs and autosofts needed to keep their Drone network up.

Question on the Autosofts: do you have to buy the autosofts on your drones and your deck(I am sorry, RCC,) separately, or can they copied? Doing the math for a Rigger in chargen, the software ends up costing far more than the drones themselves; which seems slightly ludicrous to me. I mean, I know software can add up fast, but I think the scale they made is just too high.
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post Apr 1 2014, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (Always Overkill @ Apr 1 2014, 11:43 AM) *
The whole programs being different than autosofts makes sense, as I had no idea how the Riggers could run all the programs and autosofts needed to keep their Drone network up.

Question on the Autosofts: do you have to buy the autosofts on your drones and your deck separately, or can they copied? Doing the math for a Rigger in chargen, the software ends up costing far more than the drones themselves; which seems slightly ludicrous to me. I mean, I know software can add up fast, but I think the scale they made is just too high.


I purchased the software separately, specifically because I knew I couldn't afford an RCC good enough to benefit from sharing the programs, and that I wouldn't be running that many drones (of the same type) at once.

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post Apr 1 2014, 03:50 PM
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By RAW, there are no rules for copying programs, so you probably have to buy as many copies as you would need (like DrZ did). Most drone riggers would probably just buy one copy and then share it across the RCC, depending on money and availability. If you have a single stand-alone drone (for instance, a Rhex), you might just buy autosoft for that one drone and load them independently. If you had multiple Rhexs, it makes more sense to share the programs (note that this makes the RCC a particular vulnerability for a combat rigger).
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post Apr 1 2014, 03:57 PM
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Just in case you were waiting on me, I am totally ready to move on with the next scene; Drave is done stating his case.
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post Apr 1 2014, 04:03 PM
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So if we are ready, we can have Chrome post something about summoning the spirit at 7:35.

Grease will be in the BMW - Jack, Overkill, and Amy all backstage?
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QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Apr 1 2014, 10:03 AM) *
So if we are ready, we can have Chrome post something about summoning the spirit at 7:35.

Grease will be in the BMW - Jack, Overkill, and Amy all backstage?

I'd be backstage. I think Overkill was going to be in the crowd?
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post Apr 1 2014, 04:05 PM
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As a side note on this whole Rigging talk, I have been trying to figure out the benefit of the Microskimmer vs. the Fliegegeheimagent (that's right chummers, the FlySpy) It doesn't seem like the skimmer would be able to do anything the Flyspy couldn't do. I ask because the Rigger I was designing, (A Dragon Pilot with a small group of Flyspies for Recon and Rotodrones for Fire Support,) had to slim down on the total number of types of drones in his PAN to cut costs, and I specifically cut the Microskimmers as they didn't seem to give me any abilities the Flyspy's couldn't. I mean, a Flyspy can hover, right?
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Apr 1 2014, 11:04 AM) *
I'd be backstage. I think Overkill was going to be in the crowd?

Yeah, towards the back of the crowd, to keep the majority of them in front of me and under the watch of my well-enhanced cybereyes.

Edit: Also, I am not wearing an event T-shirt, and once people start arriving, I am going to just try and blend in as another spectator... (though I am sure that the fine Captain was sure to point me out to ALL his security people, I would have in his place.)
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QUOTE (Always Overkill @ Apr 1 2014, 11:05 AM) *
As a side note on this whole Rigging talk, I have been trying to figure out the benefit of the Microskimmer vs. the Fliegegeheimagent (that's right chummers, the FlySpy) It doesn't seem like the skimmer would be able to do anything the Flyspy couldn't do. I ask because the Rigger I was designing, (A Dragon Pilot with a small group of Flyspies for Recon and Rotodrones for Fire Support,) had to slim down on the total number of types of drones in his PAN to cut costs, and I specifically cut the Microskimmers as they didn't seem to give me any abilities the Flyspy's couldn't. I mean, a Flyspy can hover, right?

IMO, they generally screwed up the micro/mini drones. In past editions, the Microskimmer was described as the size of a soup can lid. Now, it is apparently the size of a frisbee. Given that the FlySpy is supposed to be bigger than the Microskimmer, it would be a fly of such epic proportions that people would probably scream in terror if they saw it.

Personally, I think the drones should scale something like this:
Kanmushi: House Key
Microskimmer: Soup Can Lid
FlySpy: Stapler-Sized Insect
Flying Eye: Baseball
Crawler: Toaster (Maybe a bit larger, by the rules it can mount an AR, maybe a Keurig)

A Microskimmer should be more difficult to spot and hit. The main benefit with using them is that they use the Groundcraft vehicle skill, in case you have no reason to invest in Aircraft (since you're a Dragon pilot, the negative is moot).
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post Apr 1 2014, 04:38 PM
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In the interest in brevity, I'm going to put a post bringing us right up to Chrome summoning the spirit.

To save on a little time, I'm going to jump it to 7:45 instead of 7:35 - for reasons which will become clear shortly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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According to the member list, Chrome is posting something in the IC right now if you want to wait.
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Apr 1 2014, 12:40 PM) *
According to the member list, Chrome is posting something in the IC right now if you want to wait.


I didn't see that - I didn't actually post anything about Chrome summoning - and I'll edit my post to fit with his. I just wanted to clear up what everyone else was doing.
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Hey Chrome, were you going to post something? I have to follow-up Lobo's post, but I don't want to jump too far ahead.
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post Apr 1 2014, 04:59 PM
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@Chrome,

First - great post, love the detail (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Second - are you sure you are summoning a spirit of air in a Port-A-Potty?

Sounds like if there was ever a place to summon a toxic spirit, that would be it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Hey, the sixth world is a strange place.

She needs the intimacy, and she won't make the thing manifest in there. I was aware of the irony and decided to roll with it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Wheeeee!
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