First thing to remember: There is no such thing as overkill.
Also: Close air support covereth a multitude of sins.

On a less deranged note*:


In SR4A, there's a solution to that. Simply hook a cheap fire alarm (you know, those things that are supposed to alarm if your house is burning) onto said Aerosol sawdust grenades. If it's a cheap enough variant, it will probably be set off by just about any smoke/mist, not just actual smoke from a fire (seriously, I had one crappy model go off on boiling water. Kinda unnerving.).
Mist form instantly gets cancelled by getting in contact with an allergen!
Banshees and possible other things that only have vulnerabilities instead of allergies or allergies that are not easily exploited are a lot harder to catch, though.

My group once killed an uppitiy vampire. Thing was advancing on us in mist form, figuring we couldn't harm it. The troll slammed his walking cane into the mist, knocked it right unconscious (it didn't have any armor, duh) and solid and the street sam went in for the kill with a wooden sword. It was quite anticlimatic.

I'm not entirely happy with that "Ooooh, Vampire! Main, kill, burn, maim, kill, burn!"-attitude against GMNPCs, but also can't figure how to talk you out of it, so I might as well offer advice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

*Oh, I just always wanted to use that line ever since I read it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Modular Man: Why did your troll have a genuine wooden walking cane?

Also, I'm assuming a Trollish walking cane is more akin to anybody else's quarterstaff.

A bandolier of M34 grenades with hidden remote detonators. Wooley Pete action FTW. Or stuff them in his car, 0 to Burning White Hot goodness in less than a second. It should burn hot enough to turn him into crispy fried vampire pretty much instantly. I completely get the Vampire hate, I share it, all Vampires must die especially when they are a special little snowflake.

If you have surprise and time to set up the ambush, nothing is safe...probably not even from a hold-out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Totally down. I'm more wondering why any sensible runner would not flat out murder vampires and ghouls on site. They want to eat you, for pete's sake.

Because he's a special snowflake under the protection of our employer? Much good may that do him with my next character, btw...

Oh, he was the group's face, overall kind of a snob and somewhat entangled with either Yakuza or Triads (I always forget). He worked quite hard to overcome the classic "brute troll" cliché.
That said, he almost outdid both the gun bunny and the weapon specialist on that run, by punching that vampire and firing a rocket into one of the towers of said vampire's mansion. After that, he returned to being quite reserved and polite. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

On topic: You could also, well, borrow Paddy's bus. CanRay really created something with that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

A thermite grenade would be far more effective, to be honest. This is a situation where a focused effect would do far more good than burning down the whole damn neighborhood with a bandoleer of explosives that have a 34 meter blast radius each and an average throwable range of four meters too close to not be hit.

I would do my old trick of swapping his airbag for a claymore mine. Swoop and Squat him with a second car driving behind him. Front driver walks up with a suppressed machine pistol to offer covering fire if necessary while the rear vehicle driver rushes up with a thermite "medical kit" to "assist with any injuries". Screech, boom, brap (if necessary), plop, fizz, whump, and the world is one largish carbon pile closer to being undead free.

You can do this easily if you're the group armorer. Hand out bandoliers to everybody. Just make sure you retain the detonation codes, have hidden backdoors in their detonators, etcetera. Then when he's out of blast range of anybody you care about, boom!

Well, I am the only regular group member who can do anything other than fight and hide, but unfortunately most of the group include "able to maintain weapons" as part of fighting so we don't really have a group armourer

It's not just a GMPC... it's a sparkling vampire GMPC! Even if it's just plot pixie dust, it qualifies.

Obliterating it with extreme prejudice doesn't count as derailing a plot, it counts as saving it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Almost all of the PCs from my campaigns would have qualms about murdering sentient beings, even if their nature is potentially harmful to others. Any but the really disturbed, borderline psychopathic, characters retained that spark of conscience. Still, all of that depends on the group's and the narrator's style. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) We like it our way.

While I like thermite it might not have the desired effect unless he is given a top hat doctored for the occasion. As to throwing a grenade 4 meters, that is also know as the reason I would give a short little explanation to boots on the grenade range: "You will pull pin, look down range, extend your forward arm, cock back, and throw. If you should drop the grenade after pulling the pin, or somehow hit the wall and have it bounce back, I will kick the grenade into the sump pit and throw your ass on top. So think about that throw." If you throw a grenade 4 meters you have some weak sauce, and if you are throwing grenades in the open with no cover, well then you are a special kind of...well we know how that ends.

Airbag with claymore works nicely, but with Vampires, they must BURN!!! If you can't get the sweet, sweet, kiss of the sun to grace them with a fiery and exceedingly painful ending, well then fire is your only option. Fire is cleansing, fire is good, fire is everything someone trying to kill Vampires wants or needs.

Well, I figured that having the steering column and dash there would help direct the backblast into the legs to limit the target's mobility, the 700 1/8th-inch steel BBs designed to slaughter everything in front of them at 50 meters hitting at a range of 18-24 inches would get the major organs and most of the upper skeleton nice and squishy, and the car doors and windows containing the blast momentarily would ring it's bell really damn good if not straight up gelling the brain.

Driver of the first car rolls up with the machine pistol and gives it the good news with a full magazine if all that still doesn't slow the bloodsucker down. Driver behind reaches into the blown driver's side window, plops the thermite charge (it is the size of a good roadside assistance kit, mind you) in the lap-equivalent of the slowly healing bag of Jell-o inside, pops the fuze, and calmly folds the upper torso area in top of the charge. It ignites, cooking everything top and bottom, the internal plastics of the vehicle ignite and burn like normal with lots of black smoke so you can't see what's happening inside, and your deed is done. It actually goes better if any fuel or batteries ignite as any first responders are likely to just let it burn rather than waste a bunch of time trying to put out somethign that is obviously intent on devouring itself.

Pack some wood splinters in the air bag claymore and you got a guaranteed kill, otherwise he has a small chance of misting things up.

Powerdive a C-130 packed with burning thermite onto him. I supposed adding sawdust would help.

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-k

If this NPC is important to your GMs plans, don't be surprised if killing it would mean that other NPCs will try to kill you in return. Also be aware that it would be perfectly reasonable for a vampire working cooperatively with PCs to have taken extraordinary measures to protect itself from a double cross. Could the NPC actually be something much more powerful, say, a dragon, Masquerading as a vampire? Would blowing away a vampire while pretending to be an ally bring you fame or possibly notoriety?

Why would a runner kill a vampire/ghoul on sight if doing so would jeopardize them, their team, or a lot of money?

On Principle.
Because it's an appropriate Reaction IN CHARACTER as soon as you learn of that fact.

In my opinion, if you're playing a vampire hunter, certainly. Otherwise it depends.

Everyone knows that Vampires are evil.
They hypnotize you into becoming food.
So you KILL THEM DEADER before they can do that.

With Ghouls it's more like:"Burn everything down, or they spread. You punched him, you will have to die, i am sorry, we can't take the risk."

It will vary from table to table, but unfortunately you will find many folk get nervous having their characters around Infected.

It goes back to basics, if you shoot someone they take damage and may be mad, but the can get over it.

Shoot someone's toys and it's ON. Now take this logic a step further, the Infected can mess with the player's essence or even infect THEM, the ultimate messing with so to speak.

Some players don't see Infection as a hindrance so they tend to not sweat the potential risks and sometimes actively embrace it.

Many however like their toys, and by extension themselves in the form of their characters, all shiny and intact. Anything that can threaten this status quo will receive a cold reception from most.

Your runners have a problem with murdering people to make a living?

Don't pick fights you don't have to pick is one of the first steps to survival.

So, if those ghouls aren't looking to make you or anybody you care about (or who owes you money) into supper, don't pick a fight with them.

This is both redundant and repetitive.

I disagree, never lend a friend or person you care about money, as it usually leads to problems down the road. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

If you just want to give your buddy money that's fine, but loans lead to nothing but grief.