http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2014/06/18...y-street-dates/

And the Intro Boxed Set is still nowhere in site...oi.

[Insert obligatory acidic "no errata, no buy" comment here]

Must....resist....buying.....LE cover......shiiiiinyyyy


one thing... no mention of added codes to unlock perk items for the online game ?

This is not going to be a thing then?

Oh, hey, they finally got around to printing.

Wonder if they bothered to fix any of the issues that were identified in the .pdf releases.

My money is on Not Fixed.

My money is ... actually elsewhere.

GW sells shiny plastic crack these days.

Haven't they always? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Plus ça change plus c'est la même chose (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

50 (US-) bucks for the weapon book? Am I imagining things, or did 35 $ use to be the MSRP for the (physical) core expansions?

I thought it wasn't even the gun book really. Certainly not in the vein of SSC, FoF, CC, or Arsenal.

For better or worse the trend in printed RPGs (especially for bigger titles) is toward higher production value, hard covers, glossy pages, color spreads, etc. That, along with an increasingly niche market in some cases, is causing price creep. Our hobby is getting more expensive. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

How that factors into what you are willing to pay for this or any other SR book, I will leave up to you.

At least the hardcovers are more resilient than older RPG splatbooks. Unless they screw up the binding. Poor binding will ruin any book.

I can see price creep, but we're looking at damn near a 50% price hike since 4th edition. I'm wondering where the Guatemalan hooker is going to fit in the slip cover, because that's what I expect with a poorly edited splat book for $50...

Feels like it's been forever since I've linked this one

Printing also got a whole lot more automated during the last 20 years, which dropped the cost for color printing and other extras considerably.

The flipside to increased cost (and quality one hopes) are digital editions often sold for a fraction of the cost of print editions. This can also be more convenient for carrying tons of books to games than packing up everything and lugging it to game night.

yes, but a couple years ago the shadowrun PDFs were the same price as they are now, while the physical books were like 2/3 the price they are now.

cheaper PDFs is not a new thing. it's been around for quite a while. it doesn't explain in the slightest why the new books are suddenly 50% more expensive.

I don't buy the "better production" reasoning. I used to run a press, and the difference in coated versus non coated is very small. Hardcovers, even good ones, are cardboard wrapped in paper. The most expensive part to print is the cover itself (they're run on better machines that run much slower). Added up, it doesn't justify, to me, a $50-$75 price tag. I'm not even certain the $50 book is even hardcover. I love me some books, and am willing to pay for them, but I don't see the value in these books. I might change my mind if I see one for real, but I doubt it.

Yeah, while hardcover does last a lot longer, I certainly wouldn't mind if they offered up the option to print softcover books.

By the way, Pegasus priced the core book at 19.95 €. Certainly a price calculated to aggressively bait future expansion buyers, and probably also a consequence of local regulations (you cannot sell a PDF cheaper than the physical book), but it shows that "increased print cost" does not really float. The volumes are getting smaller and the production value goes up, but obtaining such fancy printing at medium volumes has also become far cheaper. Back in 1989, people considered it a miracle that digital files could be printed directly to film (which would then be used to expose the actual printing plates)...

Hell, it's not like they're paying for better art, like they did in the SR5 core. A bunch of Run & Gun's stuff was found to be Wikipedia pictures with a bit of photoshop, wasn't it?

I thought that was Gun H(e)aven 3?

Yep, or at least in R&G it's not so terribly obvious. Though I still loathe the fork gauss rifle.

Gee from the title I thought it was campaign settings a guy could take me.

Sign me up for the "I don't get it" category. I was under the impression that printing costs have gone down in recent years, or at least stayed flat. And since I recall that they don't even use a US-based printing company, prices should be even lower.

I suspect the price point is based on other factors. Other gaming companies are putting out core books for $40-50; Pinnacle has their Deluxe book going for $30, and the Explorer's Edition sells for $10. It's entirely possible that this is a sign CGL is abandoning print books; I haven't bought a print Shadowrun product since 4e came out, so if this is a trend, maybe they're treating hard copies as a niche product.