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DrZaius
post Aug 18 2014, 10:58 PM
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It's fun to think of this game as "the worst week in Jack VII's life". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

ETA: I feel pretty clever making it seem like Stinger is in more trouble from his betrayal than from us.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 19 2014, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE (DrZaius @ Aug 18 2014, 05:58 PM) *
It's fun to think of this game as "the worst week in Jack VII's life". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

...and to think it all started when he first met Grease. LOL
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post Aug 19 2014, 01:15 PM
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Just to be clear, we don't know which zone Stinger lives in right? This is as much a question for Jack & Chrome as it is for Lobo.

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post Aug 19 2014, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE (DrZaius @ Aug 19 2014, 08:15 AM) *
Just to be clear, we don't know which zone Stinger lives in right? This is as much a question for Jack & Chrome as it is for Lobo.

-DrZ


I can answer that - click on the spoiler below - otherwise you can wait for Jack or Chrome.

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post Aug 19 2014, 02:26 PM
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Rather than me just post that she says "Yes"

Just insert this into your post


Valkyrie nods, and a moment later the door opens again, the striking redheaded woman opening the door to allow one of the team to leave.


Or something like that - who is leaving, btw?
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post Aug 19 2014, 02:51 PM
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I'd go, but who are we supposed to be calling? Or is that a euphemism to go to the trunk of the car and get the info from Stinger?
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post Aug 19 2014, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Aug 19 2014, 10:51 AM) *
I'd go, but who are we supposed to be calling? Or is that a euphemism to go to the trunk of the car and get the info from Stinger?


It wasn't clear. MY intention is that I'm not sure what to do, so I'd let Amy or Jack deal with it. You could go to the trunk, or call Overkill and have him do it, or any number of things. I'd hesitate to go with the Overkill option because from a Metagame perspective if Stinger makes a break for it, it'd be bad for Lobo to be fighting against himself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 19 2014, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (DrZaius @ Aug 19 2014, 11:51 AM) *
It wasn't clear. MY intention is that I'm not sure what to do, so I'd let Amy or Jack deal with it. You could go to the trunk, or call Overkill and have him do it, or any number of things. I'd hesitate to go with the Overkill option because from a Metagame perspective if Stinger makes a break for it, it'd be bad for Lobo to be fighting against himself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I don't know... considering the way he rolls.

To be honest, Jack isn't a creative enough thinker. If he were to walk out the door, he probably try to get Stinger out of the car and bring him inside since he doesn't see this meeting going anywhere good at the moment. That may be a bit too meta, but I figured I would throw it out there. At the moment, he isn't moving anywhere since he isn't sure who or what is supposed to be calling.
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post Aug 19 2014, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Aug 19 2014, 02:52 PM) *
I don't know... considering the way he rolls.

To be honest, Jack isn't a creative enough thinker. If he were to walk out the door, he probably try to get Stinger out of the car and bring him inside since he doesn't see this meeting going anywhere good at the moment. That may be a bit too meta, but I figured I would throw it out there. At the moment, he isn't moving anywhere since he isn't sure who or what is supposed to be calling.


Let's wait for Chrome to get on and see what they think.

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post Aug 19 2014, 08:39 PM
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My character is very intuitive, but not that bright, and she has no idea who you want her to call. She would get out though, walk to the car, pop the trunk, and ask Stinger for the info. After all, we only need the general location (what zone and general neighborhood).

I can post with Amy saying something like "I would just go outside to make that call." if you want. She'd be a little hesitant, not sure that it is what Grease wants.
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post Aug 19 2014, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Aug 19 2014, 03:39 PM) *
My character is very intuitive, but not that bright, and she has no idea who you want her to call. She would get out though, walk to the car, pop the trunk, and ask Stinger for the info. After all, we only need the general location (what zone and general neighborhood).

I can post with Amy saying something like "I would just go outside to make that call." if you want. She'd be a little hesitant, not sure that it is what Grease wants.


I guess part of the subtext (I don't think this is too metagamey) is that Grease doesn't want to tell Amy/Jack to "go pop the trunk and ask him" in front of Valkyrie, so he said "make a call" instead. I guess that may have been to subtle compared to how I imagined it in my head.

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post Aug 20 2014, 12:56 AM
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I posted a follow-up to get things going. I took some liberties there, let me know if you want me to backtrack on any of the details, Lobo.
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post Aug 20 2014, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Aug 19 2014, 07:56 PM) *
I posted a follow-up to get things going. I took some liberties there, let me know if you want me to backtrack on any of the details, Lobo.


The only thing that you left out (and I'll fix it in my post, is that Overkill is going to follow you on his bike. Not only to prevent any torture (since I think he knows Amy well enough to know her more belligerent tendencies) but also to keep an eye on you in case Lynx manages to track you down.)

ETA:

1) Minor quibble - he is gasping for air, not hair (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

2) I doubt the spirit would actually fit in the trunk with Stinger - we don't have to fix it for now as it doesn't really affect the story, but for future reference, that probably won't work.

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post Aug 20 2014, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Aug 20 2014, 08:38 AM) *
The only thing that you left out (and I'll fix it in my post, is that Overkill is going to follow you on his bike. Not only to prevent any torture (since I think he knows Amy well enough to know her more belligerent tendencies) but also to keep an eye on you in case Lynx manages to track you down.)

ETA:

1) Minor quibble - he is gasping for air, not hair (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

2) I doubt the spirit would actually fit in the trunk with Stinger - we don't have to fix it for now as it doesn't really affect the story, but for future reference, that probably won't work.

1) fixed

2) fixed too. I thought it would be funny, but it is very unnecessary anyway since the spirit doesn't need to continue seeing his target. There's no real good reason for it to be there.

ETA: I'm curious, how would an influence spell work here? Can it be used to force the information out of him, something like: "Better tell her what she needs to know or she'll hurt you real bad."
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post Aug 20 2014, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Aug 20 2014, 11:30 AM) *
ETA: I'm curious, how would an influence spell work here? Can it be used to force the information out of him, something like: "Better tell her what she needs to know or she'll hurt you real bad."


I've been thinking about it a while - sorry for the delay. Here's my thought on it.

The problem is the position you've put him in. The chip is his only bargaining, well, chip for lack of a better word (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If he gives out the location, he's got no leverage, so it is REALLY bad for him if you get the exact information from him, which I think would mean that it would be beyond the limits of an Influence spell to grant. Remember - even if he gives you the information, there is no guarantee you won't hurt him real bad anyway, that's why he is insisting on the third party.

I think that a successful use of the influence spell might allow you to get the general information (i.e. the house is in the UCAS Zone or something like that), but apart from that, he has to hold on to the specific information as tight as he can.
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post Aug 20 2014, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Aug 20 2014, 01:05 PM) *
I've been thinking about it a while - sorry for the delay. Here's my thought on it.

The problem is the position you've put him in. The chip is his only bargaining, well, chip for lack of a better word (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If he gives out the location, he's got no leverage, so it is REALLY bad for him if you get the exact information from him, which I think would mean that it would be beyond the limits of an Influence spell to grant. Remember - even if he gives you the information, there is no guarantee you won't hurt him real bad anyway, that's why he is insisting on the third party.

I think that a successful use of the influence spell might allow you to get the general information (i.e. the house is in the UCAS Zone or something like that), but apart from that, he has to hold on to the specific information as tight as he can.

That seems reasonable. We'll see if it comes to that.

I'm just gonna start by asking him directly. I've been asking him for the full information, just because it's easier to get him to accept to give away part of it afterwards (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Aug 20 2014, 10:15 PM
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Okay, he's being difficult so let's try it.

As he's talking, Amy loses patience and attempts to Influence him into giving her the location of that damn chip.

I'll let you roll it at F4. It shouldn't be hard to beat him in an opposed test with 12 dice, injured as he is. Drain is 3S against a 13DP. I believe it would take 12 seconds to take effect.. so pretty much as he's talking. Oh and he might notice that she uses magic, so we can test against that as well, though I don't think it would affect the outcome of the spell.
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post Aug 21 2014, 03:50 AM
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Aug 20 2014, 06:15 PM) *
Okay, he's being difficult so let's try it.

As he's talking, Amy loses patience and attempts to Influence him into giving her the location of that damn chip.

I'll let you roll it at F4. It shouldn't be hard to beat him in an opposed test with 12 dice, injured as he is. Drain is 3S against a 13DP. I believe it would take 12 seconds to take effect.. so pretty much as he's talking. Oh and he might notice that she uses magic, so we can test against that as well, though I don't think it would affect the outcome of the spell.



Ok Amy's spellcasting attempt:
12d6.hits(5)=3

Resist 3DV Drain
13d6.hits(5)=7

No Drain

Stinger's resistance
Willpower+Logic -3
8d6.hits(5)=3

So he is able to resist the spell

See if he notices you casting it

Perception + Intuition, -3 dice threshold 2
5d6.hits(5)=1

So interestingly enough, he fails to notice you casting the spell.

So, from an RP perspective, he finishes his speech, just thinking Amy had been glaring at him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 21 2014, 01:17 PM
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I am never playing a pbp with less than 3 edge again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Wow I don't know what to do, Amy's running out of options here, apart from trying one last time to influence him into spitting it out. If that fails, she's just gonna give in and bring him inside with her.

For once, can you throw those drain dice during the spellcasting roll? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Aug 21 2014, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Aug 21 2014, 12:06 PM) *
Wow I don't know what to do, Amy's running out of options here, apart from trying one last time to influence him into spitting it out. If that fails, she's just gonna give in and bring him inside with her.

For once, can you throw those drain dice during the spellcasting roll? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


Its that one extra die you roll for drain - it changes the math somehow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Ok - one more time - casting spell
12d6.hits(5)=4

Resisting 3DV Drain
13d6.hits(5)=5

No Drain

He resists:
8d6.hits(5)=2

So it is successful (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) and will last 2 minutes

Seeing if he notices you casting it:
5d6.hits(5)=1

He still doesn't notice you cast it.

If you want to put up the post detailing your success, Stinger will tell you that his home is located in the northeastern part of the UCAS Zone.

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Will post IC later today, sorry for the delay and the PST =/
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Aug 21 2014, 12:10 PM) *
Will post IC later today, sorry for the delay and the PST =/


No problem at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Haha now I kind of want them to attack us - maybe we can even try to make that happen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) They'd be taken down, all on Stinger's tab (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Btw, we need to make him pay the full amount upfront (or plan how to arrange that without him going on the matrix), but he'll need to be in the room for that to happen, and also reach an agreement with Valkyrie.
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Can Grease negotiate on Stinger's behalf? Perhaps a discount if 50% is provided up front?

-DrZ

EDIT: Hmm. Are we going to front the cash for Stinger, or trust him to access the matrix?
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