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Jack VII
post Sep 12 2014, 03:53 PM
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I'm basically down for #1. We can at least try to locate Bradshere and see if we can't dig into his commlink.
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post Sep 12 2014, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Sep 12 2014, 11:53 AM) *
I'm basically down for #1. We can at least try to locate Bradshere and see if we can't dig into his commlink.


Do we have any other schemes we aren't mentioning? How can we find out more about Brown?
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post Sep 12 2014, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (DrZaius @ Sep 12 2014, 11:06 AM) *
Do we have any other schemes we aren't mentioning? How can we find out more about Brown?

I don't recall if Overkill ever did a Matrix Search for him specifically. Then again, I'm not entirely sure what that would pull up. It's been a few days, maybe some dirt has churned up concerning the rally that might shed some light on the situation.
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post Sep 12 2014, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE (DrZaius @ Sep 12 2014, 12:06 PM) *
Do we have any other schemes we aren't mentioning? How can we find out more about Brown?


Depends what you mean when you say "more"

He is an employee of Lone Star, and so basic information would be available on the Matrix about him.

What information are you looking for? For an address you'd probably have to hack into some data files at Lone Star.
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post Sep 12 2014, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Sep 12 2014, 10:49 AM) *
For an address you'd probably have to hack into some data files at Lone Star.

Um, considering the challenge Overkill experienced trying to wirelessly hack a streetlight camera, I'm not particularly confident in our abilities to pull that one off. Ramirez has already denied our request for access to Lone Star offices, so even a direct connection is probably not going to happen (even then, he'd have to contend with full Host ratings to get to the files).

For Plan A: Is "Owner: Calvin Bradshere" sufficient information to try to spot his commlink, assuming we were able to get close to his place of work?
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post Sep 12 2014, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Sep 12 2014, 01:11 PM) *
Um, considering the challenge Overkill experienced trying to wirelessly hack a streetlight camera, I'm not particularly confident in our abilities to pull that one off. Ramirez has already denied our request for access to Lone Star offices, so even a direct connection is probably not going to happen (even then, he'd have to contend with full Host ratings to get to the files).

For Plan A: Is "Owner: Calvin Bradshere" sufficient information to try to spot his commlink, assuming we were able to get close to his place of work?



Yes - that is perfectly reasonable to find his "official" commlink.
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post Sep 12 2014, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Sep 12 2014, 12:14 PM) *
Yes - that is perfectly reasonable to find his "official" commlink.

OK, so based on that, we could try to have Overkill spot his official link. Now, a lot of this is going to depend on whether Lone Star requires/allows its personnel to slave their links to the Lone Star Host. If that's SOP, we're pretty much in the same boat as trying to hack their system. Otherwise, Overkill might stand a chance of getting a few MARKs on his 'link, enough to trace the icon and follow him to his house. I guess we could always just try to stake out Lone Star HQ and follow Bradshere from there as well. Once there, Overkill can try to spot silently running icons to see if we can locate the burner comm he may or may not be using to communicate with Lynx.
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post Sep 12 2014, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Sep 12 2014, 12:21 PM) *
OK, so based on that, we could try to have Overkill spot his official link. Now, a lot of this is going to depend on whether Lone Star requires/allows its personnel to slave their links to the Lone Star Host. If that's SOP, we're pretty much in the same boat as trying to hack their system. Otherwise, Overkill might stand a chance of getting a few MARKs on his 'link, enough to trace the icon and follow him to his house. I guess we could always just try to stake out Lone Star HQ and follow Bradshere from there as well. Once there, Overkill can try to spot silently running icons to see if we can locate the burner comm he may or may not be using to communicate with Lynx.


Everyone always want to try to break into Lone Star's database- what a fun challenge for a hacker!

This is going to be tough, I think. This is a rules question; is it easier to hack into something if you have another hacker helping? Do we have any hacker contacts we could sub-contract out to help Overkill?

One thing I don't like about SR5 is that if you don't try to min-max your hacker like crazy, it can be difficult to be effective in the game. Other archetypes seem to work fine, but the way the hacking rules are setup you're basically setting off klaxons and alarms very easily we even decent sized dicepools.

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post Sep 12 2014, 06:09 PM
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Ok - after thinking about it, I think the correct answer is that while on the premises, any wireless items that belong to Lone Star employees hook up to the host, and then when they reach a distance to where they can no longer be covered by the security of the headquarters, they are removed from the host - similar to the way our current mobile devices hook up to the wireless networks at our office and disconnect when we leave.

There would be a little more to it than that, but in general that is the case.

Does that help?
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post Sep 12 2014, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (DrZaius @ Sep 12 2014, 12:08 PM) *
One thing I don't like about SR5 is that if you don't try to min-max your hacker like crazy, it can be difficult to be effective in the game. Other archetypes seem to work fine, but the way the hacking rules are setup you're basically setting off klaxons and alarms very easily we even decent sized dicepools.

Other than the Files issue (defending with Host attributes all the time), I've come around to the opinion that it works pretty well for what the devs seemed to have decided is the important part: namely getting the hacker out of the van. I mean, IF you can get that precious direct connection on a device with a nominal device rating (usually requiring you to tag along with the team), you can easily get a MARK on the host though the Master-Slave relationship and pop in, making hacking devices an awful lot easier, assuming the GM doesn't go bananas with having Patrol IC scanning every move you make or being smart enough to ask for an icon's Attack or Sleaze rating.

...and I in no way want Overkill to try to hack the Lone Star Host, LOL. I just want him to get into Bradshere's commlink. I think Lobo's solution works and is realistic.
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post Sep 12 2014, 06:43 PM
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Ok - assuming that is what you would like to do, that brings up a slight issue, in that it is Friday night at 9:00 PM.

This means that unless Bradshere works on the weekend, (which is possible), you will have to wait until Monday to get him at the Lone Star office.

In any event, you should probably decide what time to go to Lone Star, and if there is anything you want to do in the meantime.

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Ugh... yeah. That does make things a lot more difficult given the work week. I'm a little stumped on this one... I guess we could head over there and Amy could have a spirit use the Search ability to try to find him. We have images to work with and warding doesn't actually seem to prohibit the power, just makes the threshold higher.

ETA: Honestly, I guess we could technically do that with any of our targets...
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post Sep 12 2014, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Sep 12 2014, 02:50 PM) *
Ugh... yeah. That does make things a lot more difficult given the work week. I'm a little stumped on this one... I guess we could head over there and Amy could have a spirit use the Search ability to try to find him. We have images to work with and warding doesn't actually seem to prohibit the power, just makes the threshold higher.

ETA: Honestly, I guess we could technically do that with any of our targets...


You could, in fact, do it with any/all of your targets (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Sep 12 2014, 07:40 PM
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Where the matrix fails, sometimes magic can provide another angle of approach.

Influence can be the perfect spell for our plan, changing it slightly. If Amy can insert a suggestion in Bradshere's mind that he needs to set up a meet with Lynx at a time and place of our choosing, he will do just that, using whatever means is appropriate. We'd have to think carefully about the details but this can offer a way around our hacking difficulties. His mind might be a weaker spot than his electronics.

And yes I think searching for him could work.
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Sep 12 2014, 02:40 PM) *
And yes I think searching for him could work.

I mean, we could have a spirit search for Mr. J and Lynx. We have images of both of them. Maybe we'll get lucky.

ETA: We might even have an image of Falcon, although tenuous at best. I remember Amy ran into a powerful mage when she was slumming the LM territory. Now that we know Lynx's crew operates out of there, it could be him, I guess. Again, that's tenuous and I'd rather not piss off some unrelated powerful mage. I'll admit this is totally a metagame Chekov's Rifle here, LOL.

EATA: If we're going to change our plan, I think Amy is going to have to suggest it since Jack/Grease/Overkill know frag all about magic. We've seen the Search power used all of once to find some commlinks, but we generally knew their exact location.
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QUOTE (Jack VII @ Sep 12 2014, 02:44 PM) *
I mean, we could have a spirit search for Mr. J and Lynx. We have images of both of them. Maybe we'll get lucky.

ETA: We might even have an image of Falcon, although tenuous at best. I remember Amy ran into a powerful mage when she was slumming the LM territory. Now that we know Lynx's crew operates out of there, it could be him, I guess. Again, that's tenuous and I'd rather not piss off some unrelated powerful mage. I'll admit this is totally a metagame Chekov's Rifle here, LOL.

EATA: If we're going to change our plan, I think Amy is going to have to suggest it since Jack/Grease/Overkill know frag all about magic. We've seen the Search power used all of once to find some commlinks, but we generally knew their exact location.


I just threw up a post about "Anyone have any bright ideas?" just to keep the IC thread movin'. It's always bad when we have these long discussions OOC and we forget to recap IC (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Sep 15 2014, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (DrZaius @ Sep 15 2014, 09:10 AM) *
I just threw up a post about "Anyone have any bright ideas?" just to keep the IC thread movin'. It's always bad when we have these long discussions OOC and we forget to recap IC (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think we wait for Chrome to log on (since he is on the west coast) for him to post IC something about using magic to search for them - and then we can handle the various summoning rolls.
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QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Sep 15 2014, 09:19 AM) *
Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think we wait for Chrome to log on (since he is on the west coast) for him to post IC something about using magic to search for them - and then we can handle the various summoning rolls.

Yup, that's what I was doing. Didn't want to post on his behalf.
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Sorry to make you wait. I've been busy lately, so my posting rate is slightly lower, but you can still expect at least 1-2 posts a day from me.
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post Sep 15 2014, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Sep 15 2014, 01:19 PM) *
Sorry to make you wait. I've been busier lately too, so my posting rate is slightly lower, but you can still expect at least 1-2 posts a day from me.


Oh - no worries - Jack posted what he did on Friday, and usually the weekends are quiet anyways (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Yeah, no rush here.

ETA: Huh... what did we ever do with Truck's commlink? <- Never mind, I looked the post back up and it was a burner without contacts and the only call-history matched the link for the blonde dude we left for the Road Warriors. I did forget that Amy recovered some kind of focus, however. Maybe we could swing by Stingray's if it's open and see what he knows about it.
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I had completely forgotten about that, would have asked Hubert to look at it while we were having tea. Oh well.

ETA: I think it's pretty unimportant for our run though, and investigating it can probably wait. I forget, what did Amy learn from assensing it?
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Sep 15 2014, 05:41 PM) *
I had completely forgotten about that, would have asked Hubert to look at it while we were having tea. Oh well.

ETA: I think it's pretty unimportant for our run though, and investigating it can probably wait. I forget, what did Amy learn from assensing it?



Its rating was less than your magic attribute (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Sep 15 2014, 04:41 PM) *
ETA: I think it's pretty unimportant for our run though, and investigating it can probably wait. I forget, what did Amy learn from assensing it?

Oh certainly. I just suggested it since it seems we have some time to kill, Stingray's is fairly close to Los Mags territory, and I know I wouldn't mind if we happened to be visiting with a powerful shaman and spirit ally if we suddenly become the mouse in our game of cat-and-mouse with Lynx.

I'm open to any suggestions, I'd just like us to do something, to be honest. We've been in something of a holding pattern for 5 IRL days now.
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I'm here for whatever you guys need. I think at this point we just need to work out the Force of the spirit that Amy is summoning so I can do the rolls.

There isn't any reason that I can think of that she would have to wait to get to the Bar-rel before summoning it (but you could wait if you wanted to).

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