Isn't discussion give and take, not just reiterate?

I don't have a problem with people saying "I don't like this; what can we do with it?" And then, maybe adding their ideas about fixes and changes. But just to repeat yourself constantly, without even discussing the actual merits of something? I must be missing the benefits of this type of "discussion", neh?

I guess Ghostwalker was part of Shadowrun 3rds higher level plot. He mostly seems to be an opponent for the other Great Dragons and a catalyst in certain conflicts. The thing he gave to get Denver was giving the nations a chance to dump Aztechnology (when they had other crap on) without starting a war.

Having run a long campaign in Denver he hardly ruined it, he just made it more challenging to work there as the security forces became much more co-ordinated.

As to what he's up to. Well he's a powerful being with a long list of enemies. If only there was someone in each group who's job was to come up with stories, oh wait a mo. List of enemies, no listed canon agenda. Take it and run with it. Could the games writers do more? Yes, but its nice to have something big to use as we will.

7-8 posts are not a discussion? Wow, you must be on an higher discussing plane than me.

Then again, you posted in a thread simply to say that you think it isn't a discussion.

If I where a Great Dragon I'd take over a city to force it's populous to worship me as a God, and I'd likely due it on a lark because wedsdays are kinda slow.

@Kanada Ten: Well, if you feel this thread isn't for you, feel free to ignore it. I am wondering what purpose Ghostwalker serves for anybody who plays Shadowrun. If others have knowledge towards that, I am glad to read about it.

What purpose does Aden serve? Feuerschwinge? Rhonabwy? The Sea Dragon?

Saying he has no purpose is the wrong approach. His purpose is to be an element that you can use in your games. No, the problem with him is not that he lacks a purpose, the problem is that he lacks a clear purpose and destroyed the Denver setting.

~J

I doubt it.

Ghostwalker is the only approachable dragon, he's quick and easy to get characters working for, and more so, he works at the street level, under the corp radar and in the NAN, where low powered characters and campaigns work best, and with Denver as a major smuggling hub between those nations, it puts characters in a great position to be agents of a dragon who needs agents, because he has none, has low resources, and is stuck in the middle of nowhere.

He's also the easiest dragon to take out, because of his accessibility, and then once dead, replaced by a corp figurehead.

All the dragons in Dot6W were meant to suit a campaign style, and Ghostwalker makes sense as the low power Great, while still having the shades of political intrigue and let characters interact with areas of the setting they wouldn't normally.

I think this would go a lot better without the utterly and completely unnecessary sniping.

Destroyed? Changed the Denver setting maybe but isn't that a little melodramatic? Granted I'm going from memory since I haven't played in a game set in Denver in years but whilst some major things were changed wasn't the basic setting kept generally the same, or have I really missed something?

He, she or whatever gender that beast has seems to be opposed to Lofwyr and anti-awakened groups, and tries to be subtle in his approach, after the burning down of Teheran. Who's that? Appearently, they play political games in former Irland, now known as Tir na Nog, and aid elven secessionists.
That too, I guess.
Doubt what?He stomped Denver all by himself Godzilla-style. Everybody is watching him now. It's impossible to work street level and under the corp radar for him, as he is the infamous big badass of Denver. He's not subtle. Every move of him and his agents are tracked by the agents of the remaining corps and national agencies. And yes, he has low ressources, so it's even more impossible for him to do anything worthwile. He's too high-risk, and can't pay enough. And he still has a bad attitude.
Well, that would be nice if the game developers would take that route, but that's for another topic.
That's the problem. He has too few ressources and influence, is permanently under watch by all sides, can't do anything without upsetting the other established forces, and now sits upon Denver.

Since you've mentioned this again I'll reiterate the question, but what makes you think he has 'low resources', and low compared to who?

I doubt it.

I always had this crazy idea that Ghostwalker was running the Shedim. Then again, I have no idea where that idea came from, so it's probably wrong.

Probably from the fact that they followed him back through the rift.

Another thing to remember about Pale'n'Scaly, apart from his unrivaled ability with Spirits, is his use as a sage. His listed price is a gem (IIRC) of certain worth (10000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) ?).

well, Ghostwalker isn't Dunk's brother just because--he's Dunk's brother because he was Dunk's brother in the Earthdawn setting. why use GW instead of some unknown great? well, ED has all this cool background; it'd be a shame not to use it. why use GW instead of some other ED great whose SR whereabouts are unknown? eh, no real reason--but no real reason not to, either.

i really think that the most awesome theory i've seen posted so far is that GW is running the New Revolution. especially when you look at the possible threads tying Dunk to the NR (don't ask me what they are, it's been literally years since i looked into it).

noones even bothered to groan at my bad joke or my lame photoshop
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Ghostwalker's purpose is to have sex with your mom. Anal sex.

But, obviously, Dunkie and GW are running an absurdly elaborate Xanatos Roulette that will take a couple thousand years to play itself out to fruition.

Feuerschwinge is a German dragon that was taken out by a small military division. Though it is uncertain if he was already hurt and they simply put the killing blow in, or if he was going toxic since he seems to have been in the SOX area. It is also unsure if he is truly dead, since there are since there are still sightings. Also there are mutant/toxic clans that worship him as a diety of destruction.

mmm From what I've read I always saw Icewind as pretty much, running denver becouse he wanted too, as well pretty much does other things. becouse he wants to. he's one of the oldest greatdragons being dukies brother I belvie he. I forget the term? loremaster? or something liek that. which was formly his brothers title among their kind. so int he realm of dragons, with his magical power, his physcal power as a single being, and his title. Simply existing makes him important. at least to dragons. kinda like those old guys in some of the old mafia movies. you know you don't know who they are. or what they do, they just seem to sit their. But when they feel like talking they only say a few things fairly low and every one in the room listens very very carfuly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

but thats just me.

this is shadowrun, where trolls sniping with panthers and bows backed up by giant slivergun shaped ally spirits are king. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)

There's an entire line of posts and comments like this, and it's just easier to reply once and say that you shouldn't be saying that. Because if it was remotely true, he wouldn't have been covered in Dragons of the Sixth World and Denver wouldn't have been in SoNA. And in fact neither of those books made such outrageous BS claims like "Everything you KNEW has CHANGED!" Because as FlakJacket has said twice now, it didn't.

And I would suspect that the second set of Missions wouldn't be set there if it was impossible to run in. Denver was not "stomped" on Godzilla-like. It was attacked on a limited and rather strategic basis. And I say this knowing that if they wanted they could have had him destroy it as Aden destroyed Tehran. Especially since I recall Icewing being second most powerful only to his brother. Maybe we should wander over to that SR Missions forum and ask how unplayable Denver has been for the people actually playing games set in Denver. Nah... That might actually be useful and rational and knock down some of the rather amazing and unexplained hatred people have for Ghostwalker. That's discussion, btw. A lot of this is just whining and griping.

friendly suggestion, ignore the troll. he seems to have a issue with SR4 that i cant quite nail down, but i suspect it had something with feeling ignored while working for them...

I am so sick of the "anything important has to have a dragon behind it, since dragons are cool" trope.

Whining? Irrational? I want to play in a world ruled by megacorps, not relics from D&D. Give me Dragons who are powerful because they are of superhuman intelligence, and not because in old times they could rend a knight. Newsflash, Devs - we're not in D&D or ED anymore, we have weapons that will kill a dragon easily, so stop treating the game as D&D with computers.

Lowfyr and Dunkelzahn are Dragons I like because they play(ed) by the new rules, using money and PR, not claw and spell, to get their goals.

But as long as the devs think that Dragons should be not only superhuman intellects, and able to personally kill a runner team without much trouble in combat, but also able to destroy entire cities by themselves with brute force, that's a pipe dream.

There's an entire line of posts and comments like this, and it's just easier to reply once and say that you shouldn't be saying that. Because if it was remotely true, he wouldn't have been covered in Dragons of the Sixth World and Denver wouldn't have been in SoNA. And in fact neither of those books made such outrageous BS claims like "Everything you KNEW has CHANGED!" Because as FlakJacket has said twice now, it didn't.

And I would suspect that the second set of Missions wouldn't be set there if it was impossible to run in. Denver was not "stomped" on Godzilla-like. It was attacked on a limited and rather strategic basis. And I say this knowing that if they wanted they could have had him destroy it as Aden destroyed Tehran. Especially since I recall Icewing being second most powerful only to his brother. Maybe we should wander over to that SR Missions forum and ask how unplayable Denver has been for the people actually playing games set in Denver. Nah... That might actually be useful and rational and knock down some of the rather amazing and unexplained hatred people have for Ghostwalker. That's discussion, btw. A lot of this is just whining and griping.

ok, i have seen multiple posts, but this is silly...