Paedophilia also comes to mind. Though personafixes are much cheaper than mages controlling minds left and right, y'know ...

I seem to remember hearing about a furry porn star in one of the SURGE books... not sure about that, though.

... That actually sounds a bit fun, rape aside. Make it a sentient werewolf and a consenting partner and I'm in (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Reminds me of that movie Wolf... embracing your ID seems like it would be a lot of fun. And I'll bet a surprising amount of women would enjoy it too.

That already came up last year in the Munich sourcebook.
That's the second time a German sourcebook has already introduced stuff brought up in this thread...don't really want to know what that says about us...


As far as the whole hellhound stuff is concerned...just one word.
Biodrones.

We're not exactly prudes?

I guess that puts the "arse" in Arsenal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)

From what I've heard, the German government itself is somewhat censor ready. I heard that the German version of the game Command and Conquer was edited so the blood in the tiny little army men was black, so they were robots, for example.

And, if Japan is any indication, what happens when you have a censor heavy government?

Tentacles happen, that's what. I mean... GGG ring a bell to anyone?

If not, I ain't gonna explain it, for fear of self incrimination. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

or recrimination.

My lips are sealed.

He gets to taste but doesn't have to pick the viscera from his teeth afterwards. That's good, and by good I mean bad. But good.

Yeah, recently, the political climate has been rather repressive as far as violence in computer games is concerned.
Germany is not exactly more liberal than the US.
We just have different taboos, partially because we lack a puritan tradition here, so there's gay marriage, legal prostitution and stuff.
But as soon as there's one kid running amok at school, Counterstrike is perceived as the root of all evil.

Japan is also an interesting case.
They've got all this tentacle rape porn stuff and whatnot, but as far as i've heard, you are not allowed to show genitalia.
Even in hardcore porn, any penis will get pixelled over.

Sure, but that's all about violence and promoting terrorism, war and havoc. Germans tend to be a tad paranoid about promoting war. Generally speaking, the German Federal Censorship Board comes down on violence as much as the FCC on anthing sexual. Luckily for gamers, europe is that patchwork of nations, most of which are a lot more enlightened concerning violence in games.

By prudes, I meant less hesistant on sexual topics. Violence is, for all I know, not included there.

I have no idea what you just said. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)



Yeah, that's exactly what I mean about Japan. They aren't allowed to show genitalia uncensored, so they circumvent that by either having a tiny black line on it, or by making the rest of it as obscene as possible. Censorship in the states, on the other hand, is nearly non existent, so people just go ahead and make the same insipid unimaginative crap over and over. Though there are, of course, exceptions. Like this thread. Kind of.

Wow, that paragraph made me sound like an elitist AND a pervert. I feel special. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm glad to hear you don't have the puritanical tradition. There may not be much censorship across the pond, but the laws and society are very repressive sometimes.

He's talking about all the gooey bits from the girl being eaten by the Hell Hound.




I think we can all assume that in the Shadowrun Universe the only censoring is in the minds of little old ladies who have heart attacks when they see that their "laws" regarding censoring and keeping porn out of the hands of children are not enforced... at ALL. I mean let's face it, if Lone Star is going to go after either Shadowrunners or Child Porn... who do you think that they'll go for. The answer is 'Runners because it's possible to catch them. With child porn, where are the files coming from? Where were they uploaded Do they have a valid SIN? Is it even that bad compared to 'Runners kill a dozen people?

Erhm ... it is? what about 'Nipplegate' then, and the censorship options implemented into live broadcasts afterwards? Hunh? What about that loon prosecutor crusading against GTA San Andreas becaus of a stupid little sex game hidden deep within it's code? If that's not censorship, then what is it?


Indeed. Thank you, Chales II, and DAMN YOU, Cromwell.


I would expect a lot more active moral policing in the CAS. After all, that's pretty much the Bible Belt's heartlands.


Child Porn is still everyone's favourite hate pet in SR4. It's in Emergence, I think, this is mentioned. Also, SSG mentions that that's a big no-go for what the majority cares. So, LSSS will certainly go after the Child Porn ring too. If they can't find any conclusive evidence, they'll just blame the runners, once they're caught, for operating that kiddie porn ring, too, nefarious as they are.

I got that, thanks. I meant the good bad part at the end. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)






It says in the basic book something along the lines of the government has given up on the more vanilla aspects of sexuality, such as sexual orientation, prostitution, etc. I'd bet that child pornography is still very much a crime, and one that is still taken very seriously, because A: while I'm guessing victimless crimes like prostitution are simply not important enough for the star to deal with, busting a kiddy porn ring would be great press for them, and a feather in their caps, wheras a scandal involving said sleazebags would mean a huge dive in their stock prices. Hm... gives me an idea for a snoop job run.

And B: While the CEO and shareholders probably don't give a damn about right and wrong, Joe Q. Beatcop probably would love to get his hands on the people making it. In the prisons of today, if a child molester goes to prison and the others find out what he's in for, he will as often as not die at the hands of the other prisoners, even the ones who have killed a dozen people. Runners kill security guards and other types like that... while I'm sure the star would love to get their hands on the cop killers, ALL child pornographers are abusing children. Harming an innocent, especially a child, is a much greater crime in most people's minds then shooting an armed mook.

And C: A child molester MAY have a gun. A Shadowrunner is almost always heavily armed, just as if not more paranoid, knows how to use his weapons, and may be packed to the gills with cybernetics and the like. Runners also tend to have access to spells other then mind control, sleep, and minimal healing that would benefit the pornographers. So am I going to want to try to arrest the loser who hurts children for a living, or the heavily armed violent sociopath that kills people for a living? Depends on the cop, I'm guessing.

it's protecting the children! won't you think of the children?

seriously, though, while there certainly is a very strong puritanical streak in american culture, there's also a difference between regulation and censorship. certain materials are not deemed suitable for public broadcast-- that is to say, you can't put them out on standard television or radio channels, you can't slap them up on billboards, you can't show them anywhere that the public could unwittingly encounter them. it's basically an opt-in system; in order to view certain materials, you must be of age and consenting. but you can view the materials, with rare exception.

and as far as Jack Thompson goes, well, he has his supporters, but he's also well on his way to being disbarred. he's basically an ambulance chaser writ large; while his actions can be considered to underline the popularity of certain conservative notions, they can't be considered to represent the actual laws or judicial leanings of his government--especially in light of how frequently and spectacularly he's failed to effect any change. he makes big noise about his victories, but most of those were in cases of obvious, flagrant violation, like the hot coffee mod.

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Maybe someone mentioned it and I missed it, but for Joe and Jane Average, cybersex is probably waaaay more common, because it's as good as the real thing - you don't need shapechangers or gene-sculpting to have kinky furry sex, just some well-programmed icons and a decent feedback system in you commlink.

Which leads me to wonder, on the fringe side of things, if you can have sex with an AI, and if so, what the hell that feels like (probably however the AI wants it to feel like, I bet).

I imagine it's great until SHODAN gets bored with you... and hell hath no fury like an insane AI with a black hammer program and access to your nervous system...

Also, if she offers you cake, you might want to be a little suspicious.

okay you are going to make me do something I HATE which is agree with the FCC and the ratings board, both of which I despise, not because of what they are supposed to do, but for how stupidly they do it. The nipple thing, it violated FCC regulations pure and simple. You break a law you go to jail (or at least you are supposed, well or get fined, you know what I mean). You violate the FCC you get fined. Censorship is more along the lines of "You can't do that anywhere." What people often say is censorship, is more times than not "You can't do that here at this particular place/venue, what have you, due to established rules and regulations". The video game rating system (in theory) is not censorship. It is labeling as to the content contained within. Harsher content, harsher rating. It gives people a structure to decide what to play (or sell in the case of stores) The "hot coffee" thing in GTA would have warranted a higher rating, if it had been known at the time. Now do not think I support the rating system the way it is. It is corrupt as any corporation. It takes money for ratings and the way it is handled is insane. I do believe that the idea behind it is sound though. People need some structure to base their choices on.

EXTREME LUDICROUS EXAMPLE TIME:
Imagine if you will parent X. There is no rating system in place and they see this Preview. They would think "Wow that is so uplifting! I want my kids to see that movie!"

again it's kinda extreme, but it shows my point.

Pretty vanilla compared to a low of what's here, but... maybe that's what Jill and Joe Wageslave might be looking for...

"Shared sensation" simsense was something my gaming group (miss)used back in the SR2 days.

The basic version was a little black box that you and a partner could jack into. It was designed and marketted as a marital aid, allowing you to use real-time simsense filtering to mute or enhance sensations. The idea was that you and your partner could find the ideal setting so you'd always have great sex.

The designers failed to realize how easy the systems would be to modify. The device was only on the market for about a year before the corporate courts ordered the units to to be recalled because of rampant abuse and misuse. Of course, as soon as the recall was announced, a number of business people bought up, 'lost', or reported 'stolen' thousands of the units before they were actually pulled from the shelves.

Some of the odder things you could do...

1) You could mingle sensations between partners, effectively becoming the person you're with. Taking this to an extreme, you switch places with your partner.

2) You could feed multiple signals through the unit at once, allowing you to experience everything happening in an orgy. The resulting heart attack of a high level Fuchi executive at one such party was what caused the corporate court to start investigating the devices.

3) Parlors openned where you could jack into a central processor, then switch places with any of the other patrons. These were much like a modern swingers clubs, but with the added security of being physical with your regular partner.

4) You could output the simsense feed to a recording device, making cheap, custom simsense tracks. With an editting board, you could spike the sensations on the tracks up to BTL levels. This was the exact opposite of what the creators wanted, because after one encounter, which may not have even been your own, you could relive the 'perfect" night over and over again without ever being with another person.

5) You could enhance the pain a person experienced, which made it an ideal torture device. Worse still, you could torture someone else and make the person you want info from experience it. Again, with some tweaking you could even get it up to BTL level causing the suffering to become addictive. Using the pre-recorded track idea, you'd only have to put someone through the wringer once, then you'd be able to reuse the trck over and over again.

Gentlemen, I've decided how I want to die.

No, it isn't. Censorship is the state saying "our regulations say you mustn't broadcast this". Be that criticism of president Putin, a documentary about the ills the three gorges dam is causing, unislamic raunchy dancing, extreme violence or Janet Jackson's nipples, doesn't change the fact all this constitutes censorship.

Sorry, dear mods, but I had to settle this. No more comments from me on this topic, promise. I'll be a good boy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Most people actually aren't perverted enough to feel aroused by tentacle rape by toxic spirit, yes. The kinky stuff is, and always will be, a niche business.

Also, Target: Matrix mentioned two major Sex sites in SR: Moonlight Hentai and Naughty Habits, if I am not mistaken, were the names.


That's basically the "Motoko Kusanagi's Sex Life in A Box"-device. I think Shadowbeat hinted you could just modify an existing full-x simsense deck to that effect. Of course, a cyberdeck (computer/commlink) hosting an environment, and the users using their own little decks (links) and appropriate persona suites and biofeedback programs could easily engage in cybersex in their own little fantasy environment.

Also, this could easily be modified into something sinister such as Shadowdancer's "lets torture Sharon" device.


Considering that everyone would be in VR in someone else's body and incapable of controlling it (unless everybody in this orgy has a biodrone manipulation cyberware set installed) would make this the experience of someone's comatose body, which might be a little boring.


Not to be picky, but in what way exactly is that different from specially recorded Beetles?


something along the lines of this was mentioned in one of the underworld books - a specialised cerebral booster screwing with the brain's pleasure center so that a modded sex slave actually begged to be tortured, as the slave found pain extremely pleasing.

Personally, though, I do think most Joes and Janes will not go that far into kinkyness. People will still have (slightly varied) ordinary sex with their Joe/Jane of choice (treesomes might fly as soemthing comparatively common, but anything abouvefour people will just get messy and leave someone feeling ignored), and that fully without torture, VR bodyswitching/multiple body sensations at once, or tentacled toxic dikote'd hellhound spirit rapes.

Yes, but every person who does that in cyberspace, there is at least one person who wants to do that in the real world. Let's face it, fantasy is cool and guilt free, but sometimes, NOTHING beats the real world.




I would think that the AI would have sex only to please it's partner. It would not have any desires out of that. As for what it can feel like... since I think the AI can screw with your sense of time, it can make an orgasm feel like it's going on for ages (it'll have to stop it before it kills you, but you get the picture.) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)