Ok so I put my brain in a jar then get me a drone body with mimic option to look just like I did before my brain fell out or scooped out..whatever . Raise my body using rules posted on DS and add smart armor using rules from Arsenal, in description not in compiled list (list goes abit higher then allowed in written rules). I go back to my apt/flat/doss/squat and get my armor jack out of my closet. I put it on does it do nothing now as its layered armor that dosnt count? What about form fitting? Just a fashion statement now that I'm a drone or still stackable in some fashion?

Do you mean a actual drone? Or are you a Sam with low essence?

The cyborg from augmentation with modifications from arsenal. So yes believe were treating him as a full drone.

Not sure what you meant to quote on pg.48 end of clothing section,personal armor, armor suits?

Guess my question is simply how would you treat putting old armor on human sized and shaped body. Such as armored clothing,jacket or suits. What about form fitting it stacks with other armors, would it stack with drone smart armor in the example above?

Ahh I thought you were being sarcastic with the whole drone body thing. With that in mind.... I have no idea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'd personally say drone armor does not stack with worn armor. Otherwise the rating might get to high to quick.

I actually agree but , been some argument about a cyberzombie with limb armor, form fitting and full suit will go well above what a drone cyborg can accomplish with just drone armor if don't allow any to stack.

Aren't cyborgs and drones meant to be one-man armies, and basically GM NPCs? If that's the case, then go ahead and stack armors willy-nilly, and watch your PCs cringe in horror when you bring out the bucket of d6s for damage soaking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If you've made the mistake of letting a PC become a zombie or a cyborg, then I'd allow the same, but be ruthless with all those negative qualities and cancers and such.

Congrats you've saved up a ton of nuyen and had your brain popped out and tossed into a fighter jet with full military load out. BUT you glitched your test now you have 7 personalities and 4 weeks to live. Oops sorry bout that.

Worn and integrated armor is meant to stack and, yes, this might make a cyborg body almost bulletproof (if you can afford it) - that is one of the reasons cyborgs are interesting options. One of the reasons Structural Reinforcement was not included in Arsenal was that we didn't have enough time to work out all the high-end balance issues. All that said that the only cyborg model that will be able to use worn armor designed for metahuman is the Tomino. The other two models will not pass as metahuman even using Mimic modifications and armor would have to be adapted.

Ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances.

Pity you didn't spend more of that karma on willpower, cha and edge. Sucks to be you I guess.

Structural Reinforcement could possibly add 3 more body, at the higher end that would appear be a drop in the bucket. Knowing the folks around here it would allow for a myriad number of convoluted builds that would boggle the minds of us smaller folk. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

Nitpicking (cringes) Looking back over Arsenal think you meant Otomo not the Tomino. Otomo mentions ability to use standard gear and Tomino being bigger then a troll.

I think he meant the Otomo... It's easy to get these tri-syllabic japanese names mixed up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) As you say, the Tomino is bigger than a troll, and the other one is a child sized assassin droid. The Otomo is the only one that makes sense wearing armor, especially because it comes with armor 0 and sorta needs to wear armor if it wants to be combat viable right off the shelf... And what, I ask, is the purpose of spending all the money to make a borg if it isn't going to kill people? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

The otomo can be upgraded with let's say 10 points of concealed armor. And if you now put an armored jacket on him, things get awry if the ratings stack.
A full cyberlimb dude that puts armor into his limbs does not end with such a high rating AND his limbs are stuffed with armor, so his attributes suck and he has no flashy toys build in. I'd say that's a good enough reason not to allow drone armor to stack with worn armor.

While you intended to mention the Otomo - wouldn't it be possibe to use custom-made armos like coats to euqip the Tomino... and give it a barely metahuman shape again?
You know, like the MiBs from IX. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Except that you've paid your entire Essence for the privilege of being able to do that, with all the problems that entails, where a sam still has some left on other items.

Besides, cyborgs are clearly meant to be high-level NPCs--or very, very special PCs. Loading armor into a non-customized, non min-maxed limb is available pre-chargen.

Except that the cyberlimb guy paid even more essence for far less benefit. Know your facts.
Cybrogs should be special, but if we start the "armor jacket stack" route, it is not long until the first "armor jacket for cars" enters discussion. Wait, it just did. See what I mean?

Someone should definitly clarify this in the FAQ. Since it is not a new rule and all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

So, cyberlimb armor stacks. Form Fitting stacks. The can of worms is open already. I see no reason why you shouldn't allow drone armor to stack from a balance point of view. Jarheads are gimped enough already anyway.

Gimped? Sweet mother of god! No way.

And balance reason is simple: Armor rating 24. Or 34 if not concealed. Further questions?

or to flip it another way, wearing armor in a vehicle that takes damage. hell, how does the rigger cocoon stack vs the rest of the vehicle?

i dont recall, does adding hardened armor to the mix make the whole setup hardened?

It is already hardened. Basically.

hmm, intriguing...

Some people put rain/dust covers on their parked cars. Take one of those, re-do it in Kevlar with fisheye vision ports.

Vehicle design is a tradeoff of weight, cost and functionality. It should be possible to create a vehicle with 100 armor, as long as you have unlimited resources and don't need it to move fast, handle well, or go far between refuelling. Main battle tanks have a lot of armor because they expect to need it; they would have more except that a) they want to also go fast carrying a big gun and b) the military wants to have money left for other things.

A sammy with normal cyberlimbs can get that high as well, and wear armor. Pretty much the same.

Proof or it did not happen. 34 points hardened armor on a sammy is something I'd really like to see. Even 24 would make me quite happy. And I'm willing to negotiate the hardened part. Go for it.