(IMG:style_emoticons/default/question.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) That's a little bit crazy don't you think? I don't see EITHER one of those people being the submissive partner to ANYONE! These two people are very domineering... think about it, one's a DRAGON, do you think he'd be submissive to anybody? Damien Knight... he runs one of the biggest mega corps out there! He plays second fiddle to NO ONE!

@nathanross: I agree with you 100%, we're talking about a game where KILLING PEOPLE IS FUN AND PROFITABLE! 14 year olds who play Shadowrun are either more mature, or they go to another game... like Pokemon (may it rest in Hell), or Yu-Gi-Oh.

This ventures a bit off topic, since it's discussing moderation practices. Having said that, it's not a Moderator post, it's addressing a question that was posed. Hopefully none of the other mods will mind.



There was a 1964 US Supreme Court case, presided upon by Potter Stewart. In it, he discussed the issue of hard core pornography. The famous quote from his opinion on the case was that pornography was hard to define, but that "I know it when I see it." I like to think I'm a fairly smart guy, but I also strongly suspect that Justice Stewart was a much smarter guy. I don't think I'd be comfortable trying to define a hard-fast line when he couldn't.

As moderator actions are intended as private actions between the moderation team and the user in question, I cannot disclose which posting(s) were at issue. However, I can propose a hard and fast rule for your own reference:

If you do NOT know what the "average" person considers to be hard-core pornography when you see it, then do NOT post about sexual topics on dumpshock. You won't get a warning that way.

If you're not comfortable with that, or if you want to try and push the borders, then you will eventually step across them. When that happens, you will get warnings. Warnings can lead to suspensions and bans. We don't like issuing warnings. We discuss them fairly extensively before we issue them. We really don't like giving suspensions, those go through an extensive review process. We really HATE giving bans. However, if a user earns any of those, they will receive them.

Can you post a link to said Dukie on Knight fic? Sounds great!

In a previous iteration of SR, I had a Shaman that used the Shapechange spell alot. Originally used to "sneak" into places for the team.

Later he used to change his form and his sexual partner's form into different non humanoid forms. But we never did get into specific details on what actually happened. The gaming group was all over 30, we did not need the specific details.

@KCKitsune
I agree but that "appears" to be a US only view of violence and sexual materials, ie it is ok for show violence, female hygiene products, but condoms and sexual materials of a more than brief shots is a No No. But that gets into politics etc area which is off limits in the TOS.

WMS

I'm not gonna link it! that stuff's what got the topic locked last time!

But I'll give you a link in an IM, of you want.

Yes, Mr. Knight is a domineering type, being a corp CEO.. but Dunkie's still a dwaggie (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

To those who want a synopsis (with all the explicit stuff removed of course):

New years, 2057. A shadowrunning team is hired to shadow dunkie. He comes out of his hotel in a different humaniform than usual (though the team's shammy confirms) and heads towards the Ares Tower. Knight and Dunkie meet up, discuss a couple of things, and get to the sexins, while the team's rigger gets his drones to record every sordid little detail, much to the chagrin of everyone watching! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) After the fun, Dunkie hands Knight a letter, with the proviso that it is opened "at the appropriate time" (see, he's already planning to die! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ), and leaves. The Troll rigger, in an opposing building, wipes himself down and sticks a copy of the file into his deck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


I think i'm gonna write an adventure based around the Super Tuesday module.. Dunkie finds out and sends runners after the tridfile before it's posted all over KSAF n.n

1: there is such a thing as a sexual relationship of equals, and gauy people can have them too

2: Umm Damien got where he is BECAUSE of Dunkelzahn. that is canon, if it was not for the dragon David Gavilan would died poor and alone, and never would have renamed himself Damien Knight

Where's that from?

i wouldn't say that's quite accurate, but it is (to my understanding) canon that damien knight was only able to do the whole nanosecond buyout because of dunkelzahn giving him a hand.

Portfolio of a dragon: Dunkelzahn's secrets

Dunk's will points out that he was the secret partner in the nanosecond buyout

AHAHAHAHAHA, Kremlin KOA totally beat me to the punch. It is so sad that I can totally go for their relationship. I'd love to see the news coverage after Dunkie's funeral when that footage is released. That Rigger would be rolling in the dough!


While it is unreasonable for me to ask for a line to be drawn, or that because you can't specifically draw one, refute your argument that there is a line there, saying "Hardcore Porn" is not enough guidance to know what you feel is appropriate.

I look at porn this way Swimsuit < Softcore (nudity) < Hardcore (penetration/sex) < The great abyss of perversion.

Now, it may have started with cyber porn/simsense, but we very quickly fell into the abyss. I specifically tested the waters when I started talking about how to use Bioware to fit Trolls inside of dwarves and how to enlarge holes. I found this fairly visual even to my perverse self, and that is why I specifically asked to tell me if it was too much. I received no such warning and you did not seem to have any issues with discussions of snuff or gore porn/sex fetishes in the sixth world and I really don't see what can go past that. If there is please tell me, I am always willing to push my horizons.

Would a greater dragon as old as ol' Dunkelzahn really feel equal to any human? He might have respect for them, but having sexual relations with one... sorry I don't see that. It seems to be a trend where people have normally straight people having homosexual relations.

As for Damien, sure he might be where he is because of ol' Dunk, but really, that's too much. If anyone has supporting evidence then I'll admit I'm wrong and apologize.

Normally straight? He's a dragon, ffs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

right until Nadja authorizes the hit, then one of my wetwork sammies will be rolling in dough.

Muskie, is there source information about dragon sexual practices? If so which book so I read up and not make myself look stupid. If they have that in a book then I can see what else they have so I can understand SR Dragons better.

Potter Stewart was wrong. If you can't define something then you don't know what it is. And Steward admitted he was wrong during Miller Vs California. Such a test is untenable.

Vague guidelines empower those who enforce them to alter their standards wildly between cases and make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to remain within those ever-changing standards. Douglas pointed out, rightly so, that enforcement of such malleable and mutable standards violates to principal of fair warning since it is impossible to know if one is anywhere near violating those standards until it is already done.

Unlike Douglas and Stewart, I agree with the majority that the third prong of the Miller test is sufficiently specific to act as a guideline prior to publication. Unfortunately, we do not have anything like that here. We only have a bit of vague double-talk and a great deal of handwaving.

The use of secret tribunals under the auspices of protecting individual member's privacy does not help matters much. Not only does this violate every modern standard of jurisprudence and due processes, from notification and right of response (in fact, there is an engineered inability to present a response until the matter has been adjudicated) to the right of appeal, the lack of publicly published opinions also makes it impossible for any member to adequately understand the thought processes of the members of our beloved secret police.

For these reasons, I feel that the safest approach for members to take is to PM all posts tat you want to make to a moderator for approval before posting it on the boards, no matter how innocuous it might seem. It is always possible that some member of the staff will take offense to it. The only way to avoid this risk is to obtain prior approval before publication.

Dragons of the 6th World describes Dragon Life-cycles and sexual practices.

Both Earthdawn and SR have portrayed Hestaby as being looked down at by some of the other dragons for breaking the Dragon/Metahuman sexual taboo, but it seems that almost every dragon has done so, given that it IS to date, the only way drakes are created. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Okay start with Dragon's of the 6th world
Then go to Ancient History's site.
then download the free for all copy of Earthdawn 'Dragons' that fasa gave away when it closed

you will be enlightened

Or just take a clue from D&D - Dragons sleep with everything and everyone, based upon the amount of half-dragon/half-anything in game.

Woah! When did Hestaby get down? Is this referenced in Earthdawn or do I need to dive into the Ancient Files?

True Drakes are created by a complex blood magic ritual. Bred Drakes are created by True Drakes having sex with a metahuman. Dragon/Metahuman mating produces dragonkin, who appear to be long-lived and magically powerful metahumans.

Sorry for slightly off-topic, but this seems the appropriate place to ask.

I'm somewhat curious what everyone's take on rules for how good you are in bed would work. I would guess Agility+Gymnastics, with Body for your endurance. Maybe add your partners skill hits to your body test for how often you orgasm...

The French hate you slightly less.

Charisma, also. Your ability to read your partner.

Wow, this test is made for elves. Pornomancer Elves, ftw! Another thought, what effect does Wired Reflexes (or Initiative enchancement) have on sex?

"Holy Shit! This guy's a veritable machine! I'm not sure how long she's going to be able to handle it!"

Thanks for the replies - my new view is an Agility+Charisma test: Charisma for body-language & reading your partner, Agility for co-ordinating movements & your control & skill. For now, I'm still going to use Body hours for how long it lasts (approximately), and Body+(partner's hits) test for how often you come, unless someone has a better suggestion.

And of course elves are built for it. What did you expect? What else are they good for?
No real idea how to work wired into it, but it would have some kind of effect.