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post May 1 2008, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (paws2sky @ May 1 2008, 12:41 PM) *
See also: a syndicate run pig farm

That didn't work so well in BC... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead.gif)
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post May 1 2008, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE (MadPiper @ May 1 2008, 01:26 PM) *
Very interesting responses, so fix or shape flesh would be most appropriate. Sounds good. Although were is this shape flesh spell you speak of? I never heard of it, or missed it, what book is it in?



Shape Flesh is a member of the Shape [Material] spell family, found in Street Magic. It allows one to alter the shape of a given material within an area in any way the caster desires at a set rate. Each material has its own spell, though according to spell design rules there should also be a version of Shape without a target limitation.

HentaiZonga, that's actually a brilliant use for the Fashion spell.
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post May 1 2008, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ May 1 2008, 11:49 AM) *
Shape Flesh is a member of the Shape [Material] spell family, found in Street Magic. It allows one to alter the shape of a given material within an area in any way the caster desires at a set rate. Each material has its own spell, though according to spell design rules there should also be a version of Shape without a target limitation.

HentaiZonga, that's actually a brilliant use for the Fashion spell.


Hey, parts is parts, right?
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post May 1 2008, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE (HentaiZonga @ May 1 2008, 12:39 PM) *
I've got a better one.

Step one: Have the Sam cut the body open.

Step two: Have the Sam wrap himself up in the corpse (this will get a little messy, but only for a minute). Bonus points if you cut off the head and wear it as a hat.

Step three: Have the Sam invoke the Sacred Words of Enabling: "Hey, Look! He's a Jacket! Cast Fashion on me, quick!"

Step four: Sam and Mage skip out into the neon glow of the street-lights, whistling hand-in-hand, with the Sam enjoying his new leather trenchcoat.



I just lost my lunch...
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post May 1 2008, 07:07 PM
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I just wonder if a ghoul could succeed on a scent based perception check to smell that that coat would make a good snack.
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post May 1 2008, 07:31 PM
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shape flesh . . let enemeies eyes grow a layer of non see through flesh over them? O.o close their mouth and nose and have them suffocate? O.o peel back flesh and skin from fingers and watch them scream as the weapons cut into their raw nerve endings?
and i like the fashion thing *g*
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post May 1 2008, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 1 2008, 01:31 PM) *
shape flesh . . let enemeies eyes grow a layer of non see through flesh over them? O.o close their mouth and nose and have them suffocate? O.o peel back flesh and skin from fingers and watch them scream as the weapons cut into their raw nerve endings?
and i like the fashion thing *g*


Shape flesh wouldn't create new flesh, just move whats already there. I'd probably call it when used as a damaging spell as this: Base DV of force, resisted by body, threshold of body.
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post May 1 2008, 08:02 PM
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*sigh*

Now we're in the realm of the Vicissitude discipline from Vampire the Masquerade. I thought this was a Shadorun forum???

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post May 1 2008, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (ZenGamer @ May 1 2008, 03:02 PM) *
Now we're in the realm of the Vicissitude discipline from Vampire the Masquerade. I thought this was a Shadorun forum???


I'm with you on that... After this run (maybe 2 more sessions or 1 month), my group is switching to Vamps, so no more running for me for a while. I'll probably still be ghosting this forum though, because I don't think there'd be a Vamps forum that would be as interesting as this.

So enough Vamps, we need Shadowrun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 1 2008, 08:43 PM
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Given that the rules go out of their way to avoid sustained spells that deal continuous damage over time, I'd say that the potential for Shape [Material] variants to be used on living critters, characters, and vehicles was an unintended oversight and that Shape [Material] should not have any effect on these three classes of being, leaving Shape Flesh useful for playing with corpses but not for killing people.
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post May 1 2008, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ May 1 2008, 03:43 PM) *
Given that the rules go out of their way to avoid sustained spells that deal continuous damage over time, I'd say that the potential for Shape [Material] variants to be used on living critters, characters, and vehicles was an unintended oversight and that Shape [Material] should not have any effect on these three classes of being, leaving Shape Flesh useful for playing with corpses but not for killing people.


Why did you include vehicles in there? Cyberzombie?
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post May 1 2008, 08:53 PM
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Maybe a blanket, shape [material] isn't able to affect damage boxes is in order.
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QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ May 1 2008, 04:47 PM) *
Why did you include vehicles in there? Cyberzombie?


Because vehicles and drones have damage boxes. If Shape Material is taken at face value then you could plausibly space a tank in half.
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post May 2 2008, 04:29 AM
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And why would shaping a tank be any different then shaping an unwielded armor plate which would have been attached to the tank's surface? I can't see how mana would/could tell the difference?
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post May 2 2008, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE (Mordinvan @ May 1 2008, 09:29 PM) *
And why would shaping a tank be any different then shaping an unwielded armor plate which would have been attached to the tank's surface? I can't see how mana would/could tell the difference?


Because the armor was designed for the tank by a metahuman with intent, and it was welded onto the tank by a metahuman with intent, and the tank is piloted by a metahuman with intent, who calls it 'my tank' (or even 'Martha', if he intuitively grasps the power of Names) and who declares in his essence that Martha includes this slab of armor, and not that one.

That's how magic works.
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post May 2 2008, 11:00 AM
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post May 2 2008, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE (HentaiZonga @ May 2 2008, 03:11 AM) *
Because the armor was designed for the tank by a metahuman with intent, and it was welded onto the tank by a metahuman with intent, and the tank is piloted by a metahuman with intent, who calls it 'my tank' (or even 'Martha', if he intuitively grasps the power of Names) and who declares in his essence that Martha includes this slab of armor, and not that one.

That's how magic works.


To split a tank, would require the Force be high enough for the weight of the Tank... The mage that can do that, I'm not going to tell him no.
But otherwise if its a crafted object, apply the object resistance to the threshold as well. Just some ideas to prevent them from shaping vehicles.
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post May 2 2008, 05:18 PM
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But if we shape it just a little at a time....

And I can now offer a new new "Bonus Round" for any of my runners who decided to use their enemies as a fashionable hat.
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post May 2 2008, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 2 2008, 10:18 AM) *
But if we shape it just a little at a time....

And I can now offer a new new "Bonus Round" for any of my runners who decided to use their enemies as a fashionable hat.


...Or a particularly comfortable codpiece.
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Or gloves...
Oh god, they'll all be dancing around in front of a mirror applying makeup poorly and stating repeatedly, "I'd fuck me..."

In other news. Small yapping dogs are suddenly a height item on the runner scene.
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Or gloves...
Oh god, they'll all be dancing around in front of a mirror applying makeup poorly and stating repeatedly, "I'd fuck me..."

In other news. Small yapping dogs are suddenly a hot item on the runner scene.
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post May 2 2008, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ May 2 2008, 09:00 AM) *
To split a tank, would require the Force be high enough for the weight of the Tank... The mage that can do that, I'm not going to tell him no.
But otherwise if its a crafted object, apply the object resistance to the threshold as well. Just some ideas to prevent them from shaping vehicles.


Weight of the tank? What? Shape [material] makes no mention of weights anywhere. It affects volumes.
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QUOTE (HentaiZonga @ May 2 2008, 04:11 AM) *
Because the armor was designed for the tank by a metahuman with intent, and it was welded onto the tank by a metahuman with intent, and the tank is piloted by a metahuman with intent, who calls it 'my tank' (or even 'Martha', if he intuitively grasps the power of Names) and who declares in his essence that Martha includes this slab of armor, and not that one.

That's how magic works.


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post May 2 2008, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (vladski @ May 2 2008, 03:06 PM) *
"This is my most favorite gun... I call her Vera"
Jayne, Our Mrs. Reynolds

"See Vera? Dress yourself up, you get taken out somewhere fun."
- Jayne, Our Mrs. Reynolds, Firefly
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post May 3 2008, 03:21 AM
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QUOTE (HentaiZonga @ May 2 2008, 02:11 AM) *
Because the armor was designed for the tank by a metahuman with intent, and it was welded onto the tank by a metahuman with intent, and the tank is piloted by a metahuman with intent, who calls it 'my tank' (or even 'Martha', if he intuitively grasps the power of Names) and who declares in his essence that Martha includes this slab of armor, and not that one.

That's how magic works.


So as long as someone intended the an object to be in a particular shape you can't use magic on it? I'd like you to show me that in the spell description? People at a steel mill 'intend' for an ingot to have a particular shape, and that intent is supposed to stop me from reshaping it? Please show me the RAW on that one.
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