SR3? Who mentioned SR3? *whistled and inconspicuously hits the edit button*

Though actually under the compare armour it says to add net hits to the base damage value, so it's kind of in there as well, though it's not obvious. And full burst does work well against a troll tank as long as you'll settle for knocking him out. Unless he has Pain Editor of cause, in which case you just have to keep firing a bit longer to get overflow.

It's a typo. The term DV doesn't even appear in SR3 and armor rating doesn't do shit to SR3 DL.





There are plenty of kids who are true believers and voluntarily sign up to make a difference, usually either little Inigo Montoyas seeking revenge against heavy-handed government forces by joining the rebellion or well-indoctrinated Hitler Youth types who want nothing more than to serve their government with honor, dignity, and courage. There are also plenty of kids who simply have no one else to turn to for support and thus join an army to put food into their stomaches without any external coercion but the general apathy of the populace.

I know that. I just thought it was funny.



The rest is vanished because author is embarrassed to have written it. Nothing to see here, move along.

Most people are idiots. Are you just now realizing this?

Vanished because author is embarrassed to have written it. Nothing to see here, move along.

I'm pretty sure it's in their somewhere, but I can't find it offhand. Since it doesn't matter I won't bother searching


You might not get a few minutes, as for ambushes and cover I get to use those as much as you do.



There's really no such thing as a hard number in this, since there are no actual rules for storm troopers in SR.
ANy kind of number not using standard rules involves a lot oh handwaiving.

BTW I'm pretty sure you're misreading the smuggling compartment rules. Smuggling compartments don't have a capacity. They have a capacity cost if you install them in a cyberlimb. Still you can use an artificial foot or similar to get the same effect.


Numbers aren't as relevant outside the open field but it's far from irrelevant either. For one thing I can simply choose to do 3 different things at once. You'd have to either split up your team or only counter one. Granted you'd probably win that one, but if you lost just 4 men it's still a strategic win for me. I might not be able to use all 30 at once against your 10, but I might be able to bring in 15 and if you win (which I don't think you would) 15 more could come, or alternatively your guys might have to split up to defend or assault from multiple direction. If I get caught by a bombing run I can sustain a few casualties easier etc. Numbers still matter, urban combat or not

It wasn't in the tracer description.


Yep. But the attacker has the advantage of selecting their targets.


Actually most of this is using standard rules, the only thing that isn't is the cloning its self and no one has really given a reason it can't work.


Yeah your right. Cyberfoot it is. Not like its a problem, although it still doesn't explain the absurd essence to capacity cost on the nanohive.


Sure, but on a strategic level thats a lot less relevant. I have 16,000 to your 21,000. It's not that many different things, I mean after a certain point the advantage goes away.


10 against 15? If I got surprise I would say I win with minimal damage (no fatalities, some physical damage). In an open fight it would depend on the dice rolls, if Initiative worked out right, if one of us got lucky on a few soak rolls, etc.

But if those guys use the weapons i suggested your teams equipments are most propably pretty much brogen before the fight ends.

Do you have a page reference for it dealing damage to the equipment?

How about another angle: your guys are using grenade launchers right? With the rules on sympathetic detonation, microgrenades go off if you look at them funny. How many were they carrying? Two full mags for the xm30? Since the ones in the rifle and the spares would be stored independently, if set off they would do two hits of 17P -2AP. The guy whose grenades went off would most likely set off the grenades of everyone else in about 4 meters. All you have to do is chuck one grenade at them! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)
*edit*
After thinking about this, reepneep decided that none of his characters would ever touch an explosive weapon again.

BBB page 154-155, but thinks like that are mostly left for GM to deside.

And the defender has the advantage of a prepared position. IN either case the question is which supersoldiers are most cost effective, not whether it's best to be on attack or defence.



Well I have given a reason it won't work, it's just a metagaming one. In either case it's not RAW to apply type O to cultured ware.


I though we were talking about small unit actions not large scale battles.



I think you're grossly overestimating the effect of the surprise rules. Besides you can't reasonably assume that you'd get surprise. In an open fight you still have the dodge problem. Once you start using full dodge your soldier won't ever get the chance to stop because I have more people. 7 ekstra soak dice, doesn't compare to 1.5 times more fire-power and 2 extra dodge dice (I can counter the extra IP by using edge). Barring a great deal of luck, getting an ambush from superior cover, me "playing" my soldiers stupidly or something like that your guys will loose.

As will booby traps and light anti-armour weapons. Which are *dirt cheap*. The RoI of the gear isn't worthwhile in all situations. It's very good in some, but won't be employed where there is a good chance of effective cheap countermeasures.

It has been said that SR is a game of hammers and eggshells. I suspect that this holds true if one adopts a large scale military approach. Consequently the odds are high that your soldiers will be so much red mist once the ordnance starts flying.

while I agree with you:
ordnance - 2 syllables, bullets, weapons, artillery and stuff
ordinance - 3 syllables, local laws, rules, etc.
/nitpick

How Freudian of me. Edited to fix.

Them local politics can be vicious!