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post Jun 14 2008, 03:53 AM
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Interesting Modern Day weapon systems FIBER OPTIC GUIDED MISSILES (EFOGM)

FIBER OPTIC GUIDED MISSILES (EFOGM)

Could be used to take a high value target in a convoy in today's environment. In SR4 2070 can be vertically launched and high speed.

Lessons learned from the development of the fiber optic guided missile

Interesting read too.

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post Jun 16 2008, 01:34 AM
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from the anime "Gunslinger Girl" there's the Frettela. supposed to be a part of the Italian government fighting terrorists they sometimes have been used for political ends. They are assassins who work in teams of two. A handler who is usually pretty good at combat himself and a 'shooter' A cyber zombie who looks like a child, usually a little girl of about 11 years old.

They are expert shots and hand to hand combat killers, usually just waiting for their handler to turn them loose.
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post Jun 16 2008, 01:59 AM
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In one particular game we played, by the 60's the CIA had been chopped down and mixed up to become the Central Intelligence Directorate. If I remember correctly they were run by a secretive cabal of nationalistic nutjobs called "the ring" or the "inner circle" or something.

What about the IRS? Some-one has to deal with tax revenue from the corporations, right? I imagine that either they've been so handicapped by extraterritoriality and the secretive black nature of the corps, or that it's only pissed them off and now they have their own crack strike teams, secret agents, and pissed off decker prodigies to get what's rightfully theirs.

The latter seems alot more fun. the door is kicked down and suddenly there is a myriad of laser sights pointed at your torso. A man in wrap-around shades, a trench coat and black gloves steps into your living room, pistol whips you with one hand and shoves a badge in your face with the other, "It's the Internal Revenue Service, bitch."
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post Jun 16 2008, 02:42 AM
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The IRS is listed as an intelligence agency in Runner Havens. They have their own Criminal Invesitgative Division, and by law all tax agents since Prohibition are legally allowed to carry firearms.
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post Jun 16 2008, 04:31 AM
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Wonder what happened to Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS, pronounced "See-Sys"). Probably split up and rolled into the FBI and CIA when the UCAS was formed.
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post Jun 16 2008, 10:36 PM
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The general ruling on what happened with the union of the U.S. and Canada is that the U.S. government (all three branches) expanded and the Canadian government save for its "welfare state" disappeared.
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post Jun 16 2008, 10:50 PM
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So canadians didn't end up with the U.S healthcare system? That's not very dystopian.
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post Jun 17 2008, 03:12 AM
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I wonder that sopmewhere along the way they don't roll the FBI, NSA, CIA, ATF into one agency. They came close after 9/11 and they taliban don't have mages!

QUOTE (martindv @ Jun 15 2008, 10:42 PM) *
The IRS is listed as an intelligence agency in Runner Havens. They have their own Criminal Invesitgative Division, and by law all tax agents since Prohibition are legally allowed to carry firearms.

geeks with guns, great.
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post Jun 17 2008, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jun 16 2008, 10:12 PM) *
geeks with guns, great.

Hey, careful, some of those "Geeks" later left to become Shadowrunners "Because it was safer". The Chrome Accountant being one of the main ones!
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post Jun 17 2008, 12:30 PM
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Back in the 90s, I created the "Corporate Court Trouble Consultants" for my very first campaign. They were agents that mainly dealt with terrorists and other threats to the (business) world (which the CC's seated AAAs considered mainly to consist of themselves), sometimes lesser corps.

I used Adam Warren's cyberpunky-take on the WWWA Trouble Consultants as examples, adapted to Shadowrun.
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post Jun 17 2008, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jun 17 2008, 02:21 PM) *
Hey, careful, some of those "Geeks" later left to become Shadowrunners "Because it was safer". The Chrome Accountant being one of the main ones!


There's a comic about the IRS which should give some inspiration for those who use it in their games.
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post Jun 17 2008, 12:36 PM
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Her comment fits SR and RL.

The german police groups SWAT-like units and white-collar-crime-investigation in the same departments, but I think our tax collectors are unarmed.
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post Jun 17 2008, 04:03 PM
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Remember, people, that the IRS took down Capone. You don't mess with those motherfraggers.
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post Jun 17 2008, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jun 17 2008, 11:03 AM) *
Remember, people, that the IRS took down Capone. You don't mess with those motherfraggers.

Yeah, but what have they done for us lately? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Jun 17 2008, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jun 17 2008, 12:03 PM) *
Remember, people, that the IRS took down Capone. You don't mess with those motherfraggers.


Technically it was the Treasury Department's IRS and the Justice Department's (now defunct) Bureau of Prohibition working in tandem. Few modern agencies handle EVERY aspect of major federal law-enforcement or intelligence gathering operations from start to finish. It's usually a collaborative effort.
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post Jun 17 2008, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jun 16 2008, 12:31 AM) *
Wonder what happened to Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS, pronounced "See-Sys"). Probably split up and rolled into the FBI and CIA when the UCAS was formed.


Seeing as how most of Canada was ceded to the NAN and Quebec, I'd imagine the majority of CSIS' physical assets went with it. What remained probably dissolved. Everything I read hints heavily that the UCAS is more United States than Canada. Imagine yourself fat, living with a grotesque healthcare system and a redneck neighbor who watches NASCAR while polishing his shotgun and there you go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Jun 17 2008, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (Wesley Street @ Jun 17 2008, 12:07 PM) *
Seeing as how most of Canada was ceded to the NAN and Quebec, I'd imagine the majority of CSIS' physical assets went with it. What remained probably dissolved. Everything I read hints heavily that the UCAS is more United States than Canada. Imagine yourself fat, living with a grotesque healthcare system and a redneck neighbor who watches NASCAR while polishing his shotgun and there you go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I grew up in Northern Ontario.

Replace "Shotgun" with "Rifle", and I don't have to imagine it.

Fat is a good thing up here, however. Damn long, cold winters! Need that insulation to keep warm!

And then I moved to a place that's even colder than the arctic!
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post Jun 17 2008, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jun 17 2008, 01:15 PM) *
Replace "Shotgun" with "Rifle", and I don't have to imagine it.

Fat is a good thing up here, however. Damn long, cold winters! Need that insulation to keep warm!


Rifles? I thought you all used harpoons.

You're the first Canadian I've heard make that statement. I met a Canuck couple while on vacation in Orlando and the woman in the pair was rather appalled by our girth-y American guts and lack of healthy eating options.


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post Jun 17 2008, 08:02 PM
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Rifles. We've had them for years now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

And there's "Fat" and there's "OMGWTFBBQ" that goes on in the US, and Canada as well... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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post Jun 17 2008, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (Sir_Psycho @ Jun 16 2008, 06:50 PM) *
So canadians didn't end up with the U.S healthcare system? That's not very dystopian.

It's why the CAS states seceded.

QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jun 16 2008, 11:12 PM) *
I wonder that sopmewhere along the way they don't roll the FBI, NSA, CIA, ATF into one agency. They came close after 9/11 and they taliban don't have mages!

The same reason the Homeland Security Act didn't create an American equivalent to the British security service, and why the FBI is not part of DHS yet rermains the primary agency dealing with counterterrorism: politics.

It's the same reason why there are a half-dozen uniform law enforcement agencies patrolling Washington, D.C. Everyone wants their own cops, and no one wants to share.
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post Jun 18 2008, 12:46 AM
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Ah yes, politics...

Where adult people can go, "No! It's mine, you can't have any!" just like they did on the schoolground, and not be considered immature for it.
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post Jun 18 2008, 01:20 AM
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Well... I could add about "path dependency" and the "persistence" of institutions, but yep, it's all about politics and not sharing a particular power niche with other people...

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post Jun 18 2008, 02:32 AM
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Ok here is a list of current Intelligence agencies
List of intelligence agencies

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post Jun 18 2008, 03:32 AM
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QUOTE (Wiki)
Australia

Main article: List of Australian intelligence agencies
Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO)
Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS)
Australian Protective Service (APS)
Defence Intelligence Organisation (DIO)
Defence Imagery and Geospatial Organisation (DIGO)
Defence Signals Directorate (DSD)
Office of National Assessments (ONA)

Ha! I didn't know of any other than ASIO. It's funny that we know more intelligence agencies in other countries than our own.


Also, have we heard anything from FEMA in SR history? Ever since Deus Ex I like the idea of them being conspirators to take over the world.
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post Jun 18 2008, 04:01 AM
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The funny thing is I can think of several more - like the Defense security authority has a counter espionage function.

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