For a hard entry my characters usually have a camou suit in dark blue w/ helmet and space for velcro unit patches. That way when shit hits the fan the team looks alot like a [corp/police/federal] rapid response team. Although my characters usually go for ALICE harnesses over MOLLE because I think they look cooler.

I honestly don't think I've ever met anyone in the US military who's ever worn urban camo. Even force recon tended to just wear flight suits (Nomex= the good stuff).

As for functionality... is black and white and gray really going to help you blend in with the urban environment? I agree with a previous poster that dressing normally is the best urban camo.

That's the Syrians I think.

quoted for the double pun.

I remember a Punisher War Zone where he used those white chem suits painted with various "trash and litter" all over including a partial metal trash can. It folded up small enough to fit in his pocket yet could be dawned quickly and blended well with all the alley trash lying around. He kept several different suits painted up to match different environments in that handy utility belt of his. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

heh, batman with guns. lots of guns (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)

sounds a bit like a urban gillie suit btw (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

or would that just be dressing as a hobo?

Partially off subject, I remember when Punisher 2099 came out. He had this club that he could set the impact from that of a feather to several tons. �Hum, do I want to hit this ganger with a sack of feathers of a sack of Chevy V8 engine blocks?� It was a pretty large club not like an Asp so the chance of concealing it was nil. He also had this device running that when a video camera picked him up it blurred out his head in white noise. He had several other goodies that would fit right in SR but I, alas do not have the books in front of me, if I still have them that is. “When a boy becomes a man, he must give up boyish things.� Or something like that.

I Conrinthians 13.

Could you use nanotech to create a small emp field around a person so that he tends to avoid being captured on camera? I can't think of how else you could justify a device that obscured your face without actually obscuring the face. Plasma?

Thanks Vaga, I found the verse:

1Cr 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

I found this: The Punisher also wears a cybernetic suit capable of uploading various martial arts techniques for hand-to-hand combat. His suit is also equipped with multiple technological devices, such as a face-scramble to avoid detection by the many security cameras on the city streets.

I'll tell you this for free - it sucks major @$$.

-Siege

I suppose you are refering to a hard entery and not the dark blue camo suit. Because we all know blue looks good on anybody. OS, when do you deploy?

ARG! MY SOUL!

I was talking about wearing LBE suspenders and pistol belt strapped to IBA.

For the MOLLE system, they make vests covered in PALS straps.

More carrying options, easier to configure and definitely easier to pull on and off between loads.

-Siege

this is dumpshock, you signed of on your soul at the door...

Tangentially related, there was a post (I think on here) comparing different camo's effectiveness when used outside of its intended locale. Their 'urban setting' looked like it might be some Iraqi village, but aside from that, pretty interesting. Urban camo fared the worst, standing out the most in the most settings. Desert camo fared the best, and was in fact comparable to urban camo in an urban setting. But again, I think this may have been related to their choice of urban sites. Probably worth rereading for people who do like their camo lots.

Actually, trolls have "normal" photosensitive vision too, so you'd use only the lowest dp modifier, either the +4 for thermo, but probably the +2 for low-light and other visual mods. Dwarves and Trolls would not be able to function with JUST thermosensitive vision.

Maybe I just watch too much A-Team. But Hannibal rocks. Anybody think the velcro patches thing is a good idea?

Better than having to rip off unit insignia with a knife.

I can't think of anyone who loves them.

The patches tend to wrinkle and roll at the edges, so you have a sloppy look to the name tape. If the gear you're pulling on has any velcro, it'll snag on the velcro on your uniform.

The pen holders is a wonderful idea for garrison - if you don't empty the damn things out before you start trying to shrug into IBA or anything else, the pens get tangled in the straps or in the gear itself and you waste time trying to get untangled. And if you forget to pull the pens out before you wash your uniform, you just destroyed your top.

The name and branch tapes are always just a little too short, so you have velcro fluff showing around the tape. Because it's velcro, you have to do a double check to make sure everything is on straight and even.

Conceptually, it's a great idea - but you can tell where the whole testing phase was spent mostly on a drawing board.

Just my two bits, anyway.

The LBE may look cool - opinions differ on that, but the ALICE clips just aren't that great for keeping your crap in place. The MOLLE/PALs arrangement takes a little longer to put on and take off, but you're also reasonably certain nothing will come off accidentally.

With LBE, your available load space is limited to the belt and the front part of the suspenders; with a MOLLE/PALs vest, you can use the entire front, back and sides for your load requirements.

-Siege

Edit: Also, new velcro is amazingly loud. Old velcro is very quiet, but doesn't stick all that well. Buttons might take a second, but they never made much noise either.

Just pick them up in the gift shop before going on a run and you're all set. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

I guess that's why MARPAT went without the velcro and the pen holder... or was it just that the marine corps didn't want to pay for extras? Hmmmmm. I wonder.

Here's a quickie blurb about the Air crewmember uniform and the improved vehicle crewmember uniform:

http://www.armytimes.com/legacy/new/0-ARMYPAPER-2313646.php

The ACU pattern was designed, as I understand it, to defeat digital imaging technology. Never mind our current and foreseeable crop of hostiles won't be using such high end tech.

If you want an idea about the next set of camo patterns to be adopted (maybe): http://www.multicampattern.com/

-Siege

Edit: For the wits designing the latest toys around: http://peosoldier.army.mil/soldierscorner/acu.asp

iirc, "Urban Camo" is actually a snow camo pattern.

I would hope that the next generation of camo would be programmable to some extent.

Heh.

I'm sure it's on the drawing board, but I don't see it happening in the immediate future.

-Siege