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How would you rate your current SR game?

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sunnyside View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 06:39 PM Post #1
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,324 Joined: 31-December 06 Member No.: 10,502	See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment...re_Rating_Board If you don't know the ratings. Usually ratings come with "reasons" (scroll down in the wiki to see a list). If you want to share your "content descriptors" you'll just have to post those. Next question is "why," is it integral to the plot? Players just like a little gore? Note that a lot of this will come down to how you describe things as well as exactly what happens. For example Legend of Zelda is rated "E", but Link spends plenty of time going around knifing people left and right(and possibly eating their hearts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif) ). If you describe damage purely in terms of "boxes of damage" your game could qualify as "E". Similarly I seem to recall that you can have kids with a woman in Harvest Moon, but I bet that's rated "E" as well.

BullZeye View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 06:49 PM Post #2
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 27-July 08 Member No.: 16,168	Most of the time the game is suitable for almost everyone but occasionally the ass pieces fly around or kids are being chopped to pieces. Usually the gore comes from the actions of players. I try to keep the actions of NPCs on bit lower level of violence but I won't deny players for any action they want to make a mess out of something. But when the shit hits the fan, I won't describe it in too much detail, so my vote is M+.

Ryu View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 07:02 PM Post #3
Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309	IÂ´d put my game at M+, too. Gore is sometimes described, as one of the players has choosen a combat medic/face function.

masterofm View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 07:17 PM Post #4
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,058 Joined: 4-February 08 Member No.: 15,640	I would rate my game RP. Hell we would have to finish it up to find out what rating it would be in the end.

psychophipps View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 07:22 PM Post #5
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,192 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Texas - The RGV Member No.: 11,613	Got ourselves an AO here. Would probably be an M+ but our Pornomancer is literal in this case and the player of her is a hentai freak.

MJBurrage View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 07:45 PM Post #6
Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 748 Joined: 22-April 07 From: Vermont Member No.: 11,507	I am surprised at all the Adult Only votes, I can't think of much that I would not consider worse than M. And the normal violence of SR is not more than T (even when well described). Now with plot points, I can definitely go into M territory. Runs against fetus farms, and other biotech in a similar vein that would bother parents of even some young teens.

Muspellsheimr View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 08:04 PM Post #7
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,336 Joined: 24-February 08 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico Member No.: 15,706	M+ I was considering Adults Only, due to occasional nudity & rare mild pornography, but the scenes are typically glossed over, & never described in detail. Edit: When I am playing Seraph, one of my Adepts, the game probably deserves an Adult rating - I mean, what do you expect from a sex addict assassin who's hobbies include rape & torture?

TKDNinjaInBlack View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 08:05 PM Post #8
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 8-September 08 From: St. Louis, UCAS Member No.: 16,329	Mature: While it's not overly violent or laced with sexuality (the only thing we've run so far is "On the Run"), the players like to go that little extra step. I'd consider on the run about a Teen rating, but every now and then the players like to take it up to M with the sexual innuendo and violence towards minors. Not a lot of gore though. They've been more than awesome about not geeking anyone. But our raccoon shaman / elven face loves implied sexuality towards almost any female he comes across... and he rolls enough dice to make them like it. Our married (with a real SIN and everything) troll bounty hunter and our ork martial artist/rec leader love to rough up the youth (in On the Run there's a group of BTLed out kids guarding Delphia). The bounty hunter hates drugs and corruption of the youth, so he got a bit angry with some of their lack of respect and lack of insight into the sources of their drugs and firearms, and after they started freaking out, our rec leader (martial arts teacher) jumped out and beat one down proving that "sometimes, you just gotta beat a kid to show them their place." I couldn't fathom that they would have to chase Delphia after beating a couple of kids and scaring away the rest. Nothing graphic, but the ESRB sure as hell doesn't like any violence towards kids.

sunnyside View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 08:06 PM Post #9
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,324 Joined: 31-December 06 Member No.: 10,502	QUOTE (MJBurrage @ Sep 28 2008, 03:45 PM) I am surprised at all the Adult Only votes, I can't think of much that I would not consider worse than M. The things that would typically be doing it are Intense Violence, Sexual Violence, and maybe Strong Sexual Content. Personally I seriously shy away from the strong sexual content and engage in some hand waving there. That's just darn awkward. Sometimes things stray into the "intense violence" regime, but there have been a small number of sexual violence incidences that the ESRB wouldn't let slide. QUOTE And the normal violence of SR is not more than T (even when well described). Yeah, but it pushes it. And somehow the recent video game got an M rating. Not sure how.

MJBurrage View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 08:40 PM Post #10
Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 748 Joined: 22-April 07 From: Vermont Member No.: 11,507	I voted assuming that: eC = G E = PG T = PG-13 M = R Ao = NC-17 I see now that game ratings are even more puritanical than film ratings. Based on the full descriptions, my games are actually M+ or Ao, but that is because my games have PG-13 violence and R themes.

Wesley Street View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 08:42 PM Post #11
Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,851 Joined: 15-February 08 From: Indianapolis Member No.: 15,686	M+. Profanity, rampant drug use/abuse, adult situations, verbal descriptions of naughty bits, and graphic sci-fi violence. But no worse than, say, Grand Theft Auto IV and much of it is tongue-in-cheek.

PhishStyx View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 08:51 PM Post #12
Target Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 13-July 08 From: near Lynchburg, VA Member No.: 16,142	AO definitely, between the intense and frequent violence & the graphic descriptions of troll/dwarf sex* from one of the players (plus his anal insertion jokes), my game clears that bar easily. On the other hand, I'm a longtime Ironwood player, so the distinctions are somewhat moot. * Our dwarf combat mage has a severe sexual addiction and a troll girlfriend.

Cantankerous View Member Profile	Sep 28 2008, 09:05 PM Post #13
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 404 Joined: 17-April 08 From: Vienna, Austria Member No.: 15,905	Straddles the line of M+ and AO. We don't dwell on the gore, but the game is grim, gritty, with kiddie porn slavery rings, chop shops and the jaded tastes of jaded people used to make the PCs hate the enemy sometimes, as well as the even more gritty disregard for life that the corps often display. It's cyberpunk after all. Isshia

sunnyside View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 08:44 AM Post #14
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,324 Joined: 31-December 06 Member No.: 10,502	QUOTE (PhishStyx @ Sep 28 2008, 03:51 PM) AO definitely, between the intense and frequent violence & the graphic descriptions of troll/dwarf sex* from one of the players (plus his anal insertion jokes), my game clears that bar easily. On the other hand, I'm a longtime Ironwood player, so the distinctions are somewhat moot. * Our dwarf combat mage has a severe sexual addiction and a troll girlfriend. Out of curiosity, and this goes for the whole graphic sex crowd, how the heck does that work at the table? I have no idea how that could be anything but weird. Well, OK, I guess if everybodies single, there are mixed genders, and your groups just kinda kinky maybe.

psychophipps View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 09:30 AM Post #15
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,192 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Texas - The RGV Member No.: 11,613	QUOTE (sunnyside @ Sep 29 2008, 01:44 AM) Out of curiosity, and this goes for the whole graphic sex crowd, how the heck does that work at the table? I have no idea how that could be anything but weird. Well, OK, I guess if everybody's single, there are mixed genders, and your groups just kinda kinky maybe. The basis for our AO is the fact that our pornomancer likes to torture people while they're strapped onto a S&M table supplied by our new contact at a full-on no-tell motel chain. Insert a few orifice-based unpleasantnesses and some graphic, if largely academic, detail (and the occasional happy ending for being a "good boy") and you have yourself an X rating according to the chart given. It also doesn't help that the Occult Investigator is a Swinger Dom, either, but them's the breaks. It is kind of weird to hear the repressed sexual urges of your friends come to light but it's through the filter of a character, and once the initial shock (a few courses in human sexuality help as well) wears off it's just part of the game. Some people see any and all sex as a very private thing but my group doesn't so much.

Fuchs View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 11:04 AM Post #16
Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014	M here. Although there's no graphic description of sex/body parts, and violence is not that detailed either ("You splatter his brains over the wall"), the implied nudity, sex and violence in a session would put it into M or even AO if it was a movie and all the "Ok, my character has some fun in the bedroom" and "I empty my clip into the suit" lines would be shown as scenes.

Nigel View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 11:12 AM Post #17
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 199 Joined: 27-April 08 Member No.: 15,932	M+, because when I play my Face I tend to...violently reprogram people. Literally. Also, the blood van. Story's in spoilers for those of weaker constitution. [ Spoiler ] One of our group was playing a street sam that used a Monowhip a lot. We were hired to take out a rather insignificant gang in Seattle, and we were about halfway there (yes, this was a VERY wetwork mission). So we were in the Barrens and we had several gangers trying to hold a pass against us: snipers on rooftops (taken care of by me, my aforementioned Face/Rigger), shooters on the ground (some taken care of by me, running them over in the van, and some killed by our sam and sniper), and some enemies that were still in their van. So Mr. Monowhip jumps out of my van, runs over to the enemy van, goes inside the cargo area and resealed it, and proceeds to swing around his monowhip. In an enclosed space. To summarize the scene which would take a lot of typing: insta-death for everyone but him. After we were done fighting, our sam went over to the newly-christened Blood Van and opened the back doors. Blood which was up to Monowhip's ankles poured out, and our other sam soiled himself and passed out. The outside of this white van also had splatters of blood, due to the monowhip cutting lines in the side accidentally. We washed it off and brought it back to my character's shop, cleaned it up, and now use it as secondary/barrens transportation, for when I load up on drones (A steel lynx with a minigun makes surprisingly good in-battle transportation - I need to tell that story another time). Oh, and we kept one enemy alive for questioning. A day later we remembered him and took him out of my Westwind's trunk, strapped him down, and proceeded to interrogate him. We got more plot stuff, which is pointless to recount. To get the information, we were...ahem..."forced" to dangle a monowhip over his legs, threatening him with it. That got him speaking. -Side note-The monowhip user rolled a glitch on his Agility test to let it just break the skin for severed nerves, and cut off his legs because he slipped. Vicious stuff, that monowire.-Side note- I thought he might've had more, though, so I rolled another Intimidation check. I got something in the order of 15-20 hits after spending Edge, and terrified the absolute shit out of him. Before I go on, let me remind you that this character is utterly twisted and depraved, even moreso after this incident. We erased his old identity and most of his old mind, leaving him with basic survival and speech skills, and put in a new identity. Then we drove him (in the Blood Van) to a street doc anonymously, and let him get figured out. Months later, our characters hear news of him after moving to Japan somewhere...apparently he wanted vengeance. I haven't played that character since, so I have no idea what comes next, but I want to know what happens. On second thought...perhaps AO. You tell me.

Cantankerous View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 11:40 AM Post #18
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 404 Joined: 17-April 08 From: Vienna, Austria Member No.: 15,905	QUOTE (Fuchs @ Sep 29 2008, 01:04 PM) M here. Although there's no graphic description of sex/body parts, and violence is not that detailed either ("You splatter his brains over the wall"), the implied nudity, sex and violence in a session would put it into M or even AO if it was a movie and all the "Ok, my character has some fun in the bedroom" and "I empty my clip into the suit" lines would be shown as scenes. If the above would qualify as M, then put us down there too. But since the group once broke up a kiddie porn slavery ring, the end scene being while shooting was in progress and one of the characters proceeded then to geld two of the primary operators... Really, we rarely get anywhere near that graphic, but it had to have been cathartic for the Player involved, who seemed grimly satisfied throughout the rest of the session. There is a former druggie/prostitute decker, in our latest game, who still has half a dozen connections in the seamier side of the 'Plex Underworld who is after one of the NPCs, and the Elf Faceman is apt to put the moves on anyone who is described as appealing and (and sometimes or) interesting, but the sex, when it occurs, is "off camera". So, what does that all make us? M+ or AO or even just M? To be honest I'm not sure we rate consistently enough to have a single rating for our Shadowrun games. Isshia

sunnyside View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 12:11 PM Post #19
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,324 Joined: 31-December 06 Member No.: 10,502	QUOTE (Fuchs @ Sep 29 2008, 07:04 AM) M here. Although there's no graphic description of sex/body parts, and violence is not that detailed either ("You splatter his brains over the wall"), the implied nudity, sex and violence in a session would put it into M or even AO if it was a movie and all the "Ok, my character has some fun in the bedroom" and "I empty my clip into the suit" lines would be shown as scenes. I'd say rate as you describe. Again Legend of Zelda is E, but if you made a live action version where the guards link stabs spout blood everywhere you'd be at least to M, and if their hearts actually pop out you might get up to AO. QUOTE (Cantankerous @ Sep 29 2008, 07:40 AM) There is a former druggie/prostitute decker, in our latest game, who still has half a dozen connections in the seamier side of the 'Plex Underworld who is after one of the NPCs, and the Elf Faceman is apt to put the moves on anyone who is described as appealing and (and sometimes or) interesting, but the sex, when it occurs, is "off camera". So, what does that all make us? M+ or AO or even just M? To be honest I'm not sure we rate consistently enough to have a single rating for our Shadowrun games. Keeping things off camera should keep in you in the M range, maybe even T but probably not. Gelding (reasonably off cameraish and isolated) should put you into M+. Sounds like a fair number of GMs are like me in that we didn't neccesarily intend for things to go AO. For example I thought to myself, "OK the guys should refuse this run on moral grounds." I was wrong... /sunnyside flees the memories and goes to his happy place.

Ravor View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 12:31 PM Post #20
Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361	My vision of the Sixth World is one where the moral fiber of society has long since decayed to the point where Joe Sixpack sees nothing wrong with recording simporn of his preteen daughter in order to fuel both of their snuff BTL habits and everyone is simply too numb to even consider the idea that anything is wrong. "Illegal" Bloodsports are played openly in various bars and are in fact part of the draw for Joe Blow. In fact "reality TV" style bloodsports are the norm despite being "illegal". The corps by and large don't even pretend to follow the edicts of mere governments, worker's rights? Civil Liberties? Eniviromental Regulations? Bah! Meaningless drek even for the smaller corps. Even SINners only have access to the "rights" their wallets can afford, corps can and do make people disappear everyday. Even in the better parts of the sprawl a wageslave walking to work will see five muggings, three murders, and two rapes.

sunnyside View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 02:58 PM Post #21
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,324 Joined: 31-December 06 Member No.: 10,502	QUOTE (Ravor @ Sep 29 2008, 07:31 AM) My vision of the Sixth World is one where the moral fiber of society has long since decayed to the point where Joe Sixpack sees nothing wrong with recording simporn of his preteen daughter in order to fuel both of their snuff BTL habits and everyone is simply too numb to even consider the idea that anything is wrong. "Illegal" Bloodsports are played openly in various bars and are in fact part of the draw for Joe Blow. In fact "reality TV" style bloodsports are the norm despite being "illegal". The corps by and large don't even pretend to follow the edicts of mere governments, worker's rights? Civil Liberties? Eniviromental Regulations? Bah! Meaningless drek even for the smaller corps. Even SINners only have access to the "rights" their wallets can afford, corps can and do make people disappear everyday. Even in the better parts of the sprawl a wageslave walking to work will see five muggings, three murders, and two rapes. Hurm. Not my cup of tea. For one one part of Shadowrun is that mostly it "makes sense" that many murders and such on the way to work would tend to tear down society. For the other things once stuff is legal and common it takes all the fun out of it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

raggedhalo View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 03:20 PM Post #22
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 343 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Birmingham, UK Member No.: 13,515	M- There's plenty of bad language flying round, infrequent drug use (one of the PCs is addicted to Long Haul, another uses combat drugs semi-regularly), infrequent sex (although there's loads in some sessions, there's usually not very much at all) including homosexuality, pretty horrible/gory violence in about 75% of sessions...

Ravor View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 03:26 PM Post #23
Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361	That is the entire point, society in the Sixth World is on it's last legs and the only thing keeping true and total ancharcy at bay is a thin film of corp propagana. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

Ravor View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 03:35 PM Post #24
Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361	Basically everwhere is "Barrens Lite", the only difference is that the people cowering in their flats pay protection money to thugs with badges instead of thugs with colors. Well, the utilities are probably more realible, but even in the heart of the city power/water is rationed unless you are one of the lucky "haves".

Wesley Street View Member Profile	Sep 29 2008, 03:42 PM Post #25
Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,851 Joined: 15-February 08 From: Indianapolis Member No.: 15,686	QUOTE (sunnyside @ Sep 29 2008, 09:58 AM) Hurm. Not my cup of tea. For one one part of Shadowrun is that mostly it "makes sense" that many murders and such on the way to work would tend to tear down society. Ditto. I try to maintain some sense of plausibility when it comes to street crime. When it degenerates into mucho-rape-o-kill-o fest the setting turns into Mad Max.

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