*shudder* "Gender-bending" is one of my RPG pet-peeves. I know you're allowed to play whatever you want but seriously, if you're a dude, don't play a chick PC. It's really creepy and makes everyone else in the room uncomfortable.

We had a new player (GM's little brother) who wanted to play a chick character. After only 5 minutes of play our GM couldn't take referring to his little brother as a chick and had his character changed to a dude. I had warned the GM and his brother just before we started that if he really wanted to play a chick I was going to make sure he knew how uncomfortable I was going to make it for him. Luckily the GM stopped before I could make his little brother rue his decision...

I had to check to see what my players would say...

I voted on how my personal game goes not the ones I run at cons.

My "rating" varies based on the players and me. Most of the time it is either M or higher. Drugs, violence, cussing (I try to keep this to a minimal), sex, etc. Youngest person at my table now is mid-20s and most are in the 30+ range. So M(+) is an acceptable level. If I played with a younger crowd, then I would reduce the rating.

I'd never play with people such as you. I wouldn't even run a game for you - my shadowrun world is populated by male and female NPCs, which I portray.

I wouldn't be comfortable at all playing a violent roleplaying game with people who cannot separate a character from the player.

Seconded, and remember I run a game where PC Rape/Murder is perfectly acceptable, but OOC Bullshit like this is crossing the line.

For those wondering about the FBI games, that is what I rated mine. We go into detail about everything that happens. One 13 year old female troll had a tendency to horn rape people, usually in the ass but from what I understand she would sometimes swing and when having a normal sex session with another female she would just use it like a penis. Also we go into great detail about bombs and torture especially. For instance, all at the same time one player got mostly skinned by the pavement(severe dermal wounds to the face, torso, both arms and a fractured left leg) from riding a motorcycle that had it's front wheel mostly shot off(burst fire from a Barret), two people are standing outside a tank waiting for transpo and there is a genuine Deliverance moment gearing up as they are in the woods in the middle of nowhere and they are being approached by two very hillbilly looking guys, a fourth player is driving his shiny limo back into NYC when a Bulldog pulled up next to him, rammed him, and a firing port opened with a grenade launcher sticking out at him, the fifth player in my game drove this bike he was going to deliver to a contact of his and found what looked like most of the skin from his contacts(or someone with the same skin tone) back with a message branded into the skin and the skin nailed to the door leading to the inside of the compound by a knife he recognized from his career in the Russian Special Forces(Spetsnaz). This was the last 5 minutes of a session that involved trafficking a MBT across national borders, drowning like 10 people, shooting up a matrix club in the middle of Berlin, and botching an assassination. This was done while cursing a lot and generally making off color jokes about racism, pedophelia, and sundry other amusing topics. We basically shut down any social controls we have in our brains and just say all the dark things inside that people normally repress. It is very cathartic.

Chris

"Her full ample breasts are barely covered by a sheen of magical elven chainmail."
"I want to have sex with her."
"Okay, uh, give me a roll."
- Fear of Girls, Episode 1, 1:30

I have five women in my gaming circle. Being a rapist wouldn't fly. Males playing female NPCs is fine, which I do as a GM, but going beyond that induces well-deserved eye-rolling and snickering.

You know, I've heard people say things like this before but I've found that women are no more squemish than men.

That's fine. I can be squemish for those tough, ball-crushing broads.

*chuckles*

No, I'm talking about normal everyday women.

Yeah. I've pretty much always had women in my gaming group, and have never had to tone things down for them.

Got a lot of rapist PCs in those gender diverse gaming groups...?

As I said earlier, my games are rated FBI (per this poll). I have had all kinds of PCs, doing all kinds of nasty things.

That's cool. I wouldn't want to game with you either. We've agreed one like what... one topic? Nothing? Different opinions and different play styles. If that's supposed to demonize me or insult me you fell a little short.

As far as male and female NPCs? yeah, we've got them, and I interact with them like normal. as a player I don't go raping and killing them like others indulging their fantasies, I play in character and within the tone of the setting we run. If you're playing a campaign where you want to have rape and death be an over the top theme in your game, then do it because it's what's agreed upon and have fun. I've played games like this, and they're great. But don't be the lone player who takes these fantasies to an extreme when they don't fit with the feel or setting of the game. I did this when I started RPing and it takes a few times to realize that taking things out of context is not only awkward for the group as they watch you do this, but unbalancing to the tone of the game as others try to get into it and it completely derails campaigns.

I just didn't want to have to deal with our GM's little brother heading down the path of "If there's chicks in there I want to do them!" like so many players end up doing. Nothing's more sad than watching the repressed sexual tensions of virgins come out in the form of a character actions (great link to "Fear of Girls" BTW Wesley). Hell, our GM didn't want to deal with it and set the tone for all of us not wanting to deal with it. He dealt with it before I could have fun with the situation though.


So the blurred lines between a player's sexual fantasies and repressed violent outbursts and his characters very similar shared traits are ok but the player who thinks this is crossing the line and does something about it by using in character actions to prove a point is wrong? I don't quite see where you have a case to argue here.

One sounds like spectulation on your part since I very much doubt the younger brother openly said, "Hey, I am going to play a chick so I can roleplay all of my sexual fantasies and repressed violent urges while demeaning women in general!"


Where-as on the other hand you openly admit that you were going to piss all over his character for purely OOC reasons. Hell, genderbending is hardly a requirement for the playstyle you claim you were going to save him from in the first place so I don't see where your case has a leg to stand on.

My preferred range so far as a fairly inexperienced GM is probably around M- due to drug use and violence but a relatively small amount of sexual situations and cussing. Basically, I have my hands full as it is keeping a game moving right now much less playing characters outside of my slowly expanding range, (my range seems wider as a PC, really; I guess I can just pick one set of motivations and stick with them better than I can swap back and forth between roles) so I've kept things fairly light so far grit wise, at least in terms of cruelty for cruelty's sake. I'd say if I had to choose just one theme to describe my games, so far it's been the bleeding edge and how far people are willing to go to stay on it; when I said drug use earlier, I primarily meant combat drugs. For example, the major Fixer my PCs dealt with last campaign was a retired Street Samurai who got out of the game when he just couldn't keep up with the street wide arms race anymore and nearly died for his troubles. My games aren't really chock full of violence either, really, but I don't belong to the "bullets always magically kill the bad guy painlessly in one shot" school of thought you see in a lot of movies. Being shot at should be scary.

What you said was, quite short: "Guy wants to play a girl, that creepes me out, so I wanted to ruin the game for him until he felt as creeped out as I do." If you don't want to be labelled as plotting, dishonest "I cannot stand men playing women", then state your case with more details/excuses next time. It is telling though that you go on about rape, death and fantasies.

So, I don't even want to read your posts anymore. /bye

It isn't like a game is neccesarily "better" as it marches it's way up the ESRB ratings. I wouldn't set it as a goal unless you have reason to go there.

Also I'd strongly advise against regularly hanging out in AO or higher territory. People become desensitized, and when the medium is purely written or spoken the shock wears off fast. And then it just loses punch.

Though if the PCs want to go there and you're comfortable with it I suppose there you are.

Those said OOC reasons being that our GM (his brother) wasn't comfortable with it. I probably should have said "While discussing our GM's displeasure with his younger brother's character choice I decided to show our new player how uncomfortable he'll feel as my character tries to have sex with him just to make a point. When the GM approved my idea as a lesson to his younger brother and looking forward to see the intended result, I set my plan in motion but didn't get a chance to fully enact it because the GM chickened out and couldn't deal with referring to his little brother as a female.

I'd say that acting on the side of guy who's running the campaign in order to ensure that future games will run smoothly and without problem is charity work, not villainy.



I'll give you that point. Most were mistaking what we were talking about to begin with, because my real problem isn't the gender bending, but the derailing of campaigns due to the off-handed events that spawn off of some player taking things outside of the tone of gameplay. I'd have just as much of a problem with a player killing everyone with their character when the rest of the group is trying to be sneaky and ghost everyone leaving no dead. Trolls just aren't any fun.

But to be honest, if a dude wants to play a chick, or visa versa, that's not my problem with the situation. In my original post that started this, I said nothing is more awkward than one dude roleplaying trying to hook up with another player who is playing a chick. The problem isn't with the player playing the chick, it's what happens when other players take that as a "free awkward moment" card and make passes at the character.

It's when they assume that role to fulfill their weird fantasies by having their character interact with PCs and NPCs in such a manner to destroy the game, either intentionally or unintentionally. It's just as bad if a dude plays a guy who still has sex with guys on the team to make the players uncomfortable. No Genderbending there, but same problem.

Done in above post. Next?



Once again, trying to imply something about my character when taking examples out of context. Being that this thread has been about things in the nature of rape, death, torture, drug use and other acts of depravity, I'd say my mention of such acts is warranted and not taken out of context as implied. Being that my original statement came to the reply of someone mentioning a player's fantasies and his displeasure having to deal with it, I'd say that I am once again I haven't stepped outside the bounds of the original discussion.


Good. If you don't read my posts than I don't have to worry about you taking things out of context, making underhanded comments about the integrity of my character, and more or less giving me a reason carrying on having to explain myself and derail topics. The forum just got a bit better off.

Ok, so you were going to piss all over his character for purely OOC reasons with the DM's blessing, not really seeing how that is supposed to be "better". If the DM didn't want his brother to play a chick then he is entirely within his rights to veto the character before the game started, not drag his table into some weird passive-aggressive sibling rivarly moment.

What I find most amusing with your latest post is that it wasn't really the brother playing a chick that bothered you, it was the fact that you were going to try to have sex with the brother's character to create an awarkward moment that was the problem.

Amen. Dark places can go to darker places which can kill the fun. Beware the masks you wear and all that...

Ravor, TKDNinjaInBlack, Fuchs. Zip up your pants and back the frag away.

We all have a nice little discussion thread going here, so lets not let an off hand comment lead it astray. NEH?

I don't see any "mod" title next to you, so can your attitude. I already stated I am ignoring him, so not only is your "order" arrogant but also unneeded.

And if you don't want some off hand comment to lead a thread astray, how about following your own advice, and not stroking the flames yourself?

Thanks.

I disagree, the genre of cyberpunk is supposed to be dark and gritty and becoming numb to the depths of decay as morality itself rots into a withered husk should be a goal that is embraced, not avoided.

Bull's sticky anti venom thread.
And Ravor good luck with that, as long as you enjoy it its all good.