Ambidexterous Quality i think.

No i just ment that it was more likely to be a four armed changeling who was quadwielding in the build that was being refenced.


In ranged combat modifiers list under the header "Attacker Using a Second Firearm" in page 141(SR4)/150(SR4A)

Yes those are the chaps, I wonder if you would suffer penalties QUAD wielding

Wow, split hairs much? Are you saying that if I have a Predator in my right hand and an external mount on my right forearm with another Predator attached to it, I wouldn't have to split my dice pool to fire them both at once? Because I have to tell you, that sounds totally batshit insane to me.

But it's true.
More or less.
You can effectively use them as self targetting Attachments that have their own Attributes and their own Initiative Score and so have nothing to do with your character.
Aside from being mounted onto him. You CAN use them to fire on Targets you yourself have specified. But you would not be using the appropriate Weapons-Skill, but Gunnery.
Technically, you have just become a more or less biological Vehicle which has Weapon-Moints. And those Mounts are used by yourself, like a Vehicle would with an Agent.

Same as with Dual-Wield.
You can buy the Ambidexterity Edge for each pair of Arms.
And you have to buy it, if you wanna be half-way-effective . .
Hmm . . 6 Halves is still 3 Times as effective O.o . .

Is that in Augmentation? How does it work for balance purposes? It seems to me that it allows a character to sidestep the balancing mechanism of split dice pools just by spending nuyen and Essence/capacity.

Balance Factor that the Attributes of those mounts are generally so bad that only a lucky hit can do anything . .
and the question:"do you want your guns to decide who to shoot?"

So what would be the actual issue behind using a Nartaki and having all four arms fire at once?

Nothing, if you ask me.
It's more or less what they are built for.
There is no real advantage to having more arms.
You only use it for style, and then you are easy to find.
And it's hard enough to get them to do that good enough.
But it is the only way to do it too.
There are no rules for getting more Arms through Cyber.

I don't think it was mentioned earlier (I could have missed it), but I prefer dual wielding SMG's. While the Ingram & Uzi is not the best weapon for this purpose, dual wielding them just makes me smile.

Reminds me of Ghost from the 1e/2e cover.



SR4 pg 141 under the Attacker Using a Second Weapon section

Does the smartlink limitation limit to only one gun when dual wielding (i.e. cannot switch between two smartlinked weapons) period or one gun at a time? Its a subtle but important distinction...

- J.

Dual-Wield meaning you fire BOTH GUNS using THE SAME ACTION.
In that case Smartlink does not apply AT ALL.
If you fire your weapons left, right, left, right, with different Actions,
you get the Smartlink Bonus to both weapons, as per the Rules.

Ok. That makes a lot more sense. Thanks.

- J.

No Problemo.
For such a Built, i would not use Smartlink anyway.
Laser-Pointer would get the Bonus while dual-wielded i think . .

If you shoot both weapons in the same action phase, Laser Sights don't work either. If you shoot them one after the other they work. The only difference between them and the smartlink is that they only give +1 each but don't need a free action to switch.

... except for ejecting clips as a free action.

I hate wasting time reloading.

- J.

Okay, yes, i forgot about that.
Now with SMG's and big clips,
with at least two of them, would
you really need to switch clips
like all that often at all?

Smartlinks also allow you to change firing modes as a free action. Very handy if you're using automatics.

-paws

While I could be wrong (can't check right now), I do believe Tracers do work while dual wielding. So if you fire bursts, basically gives you the effect of Smartlink/Laser Sights.

Hmm. I hadn't considered that, but it looks like you're right.

Since they're only usable beyond Short range though, they're not the best pick for a close up firefight. Looks like it stacks with l;aser sights, but not smartlinks. Weird.

-paws

Anyone played a pistol/melee weapon combo (here comes the chummer with his predator and monofilament sword) ?? Is it useful per your experience ?? Tx in advance.

Built gun into Handle of sword.
Not Gunblade, that the bullet goes out parallel to the blade, but that you hold the sword on the guns grip and the blade extends from the barrel upwards.
Gives a nice way to clear up the locked stalemate.
Usually, it's not really usefull to be dual-wielding close combat and ranged weapon.

Except for style or you been playing to much WH40K SMurfs with lots of Assault Marines.

No they don't
Neither Smartlink nor Laser Pointer.Not Akimbo Style (= Dual wielding)
By the Way ,I'm playing a Nartaki (Well actually its a surged Elf but never mind)
he is Maximised in Holdouts and MPs with about 12 to 14 Dice + Specialisation (and Ambidextrous 1)
to get full ambidexterity (no Mali) you have to take the Advantage 3 Times
His Dicepool gets ridiculously Low with more than 2 Weapons at the same Time
(4-6 Dice each with 3 Weapons and 2-4 Dice each with all 4 depends upon his combinations)
he's very Good at mowing down Mooks,but only under ideal Circumstances (close Range,good sight no Cover for Enemies)
and also very Good at Melee fighting (4 Tulwars with personalized Grip)
What I really like about him is his Options ;he Can use Firearms & Melee Weapons in a lot of Kombinations
And Tracers add their Bonus after the Poolsplitting (its a Modifier)

with a four Legged Dance
Medicineman