I got major fight with my Gm,both have different opinion of the cost of
firewall 5 for commlink. I made BBB hacker for him but still..
Would anyone point me errors of my calculations. (Long post!!9

150 00 yen Hacker eq:

AR gloves 250 yen
Hammerli 620s 650 yen
9x spare clips 45 yen
60 regular rounds 120 yen
Armor vest 600 yen
Biometric reader 200 yen
20 different VR games 1000 yen
Virtual surround music 50 yen
2 months Low lifestyle 4000 yen
4 fake Sins (R4) 16000 yen
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22915 yen

Programs
Analyze (R5) 500 yen
Armor (R4) 4000 yen
Attack (R5) 5000 yen
Biofeedback filter (R4) 4000 yen
Black hammer (R4) 4000 yen
Browse (R5) 500 yen
Command ((R5) 500 yen
Databomb (R3) 3000 yen
Decrypt (R3) 3000 yen
Edit (R5) 500 yen
Encrypt (R5) 500 yen
Scan (R5) 500 yen
Stealth (R5) 5000 yen
Track (R4) 4000 yen
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39000 yen

Cyber/Bioware
(B) Enchanted Articulation 40000 yen
(B) Sleeep Regulator 10000 yen
(B) Skin Pocket 5000 yen
© Datalock (Encryption R5) 3500 yen
© Datajack 500 yen
© Cybereyes (R3) 4850 yen (eyes 1000Y,flare comp. 750Y,low-light 1000Y,s-link 1000Y,thermog.vis. 1000y,protec.covers 100Y
© Control Rig 10000 yen
© Commlink 11150 yen
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81 540yen

Cyberware Commlink (Sony Emperor (modified for BTL/Hot Sim ) 2950 yen
(Responce 2, Signal 3) (NO Firewall,NO System)
Firewall 1 (Firewall 0 -> Firewall 1) 200 yen
Firewall 2 (Firewall 1 -> Firewall 2) 200 yen
Firewall 3 (Firewall 2 -> Firewall 3) 200 yen
Firewall 4 (Firewall 3 -> Firewall 4) 500 yen
Firewall 5 (Firewall 4 -> Firewall 5) 500 yen
System 1 (System 0 -> System 1) 200 yen
System 2 (System 1 -> System 2) 200 yen
System 3 (System 2 -> System 3 200 yen
System 4 (System 3 -> System 4) 500 yen
System 5 (System 4 -> System 5) 500 yen
Responce 5 4000 yen (BBB page 240)
Signal 5 1000 yen (BBB page 240)
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11 150 yen

So full cost of BBB Hacker is 149 315 yen, 15 yen over, when rolling starting money,"GM" apperently forgive it..
I know.. it was long but it was complete..


I finally found mistake...datalock 1000 + Encryption is common use.. ratingx100 yen, not ratingx1000 yen.. my bad..sorry.i guess GM was right..

I had always played it that you just pay for the rating that you want. For Firewall 5 you pay 5 x 500 = 2,500 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif)

That was his point too..but can you point error to calculations? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohplease.gif)

This should be the cost for the Commlink.

The prices are for the final rating, not something you pay one rating at a time.

Well don't forget the cost of the commlink (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

So 12950

The BBB starting characters are not necessarily built according to maths that normal humans can understand. It's best not to use them for...well, anything, really.

Cyberware 2000 yen+Sony Emperpor Commlink 700 yen+modification to BTL/Hot sim 250 yen=2950 yen.

Right 2950 for the basic Cyberware Commlink with Hot Sim modification, and then 10,000 (as I listed above) for the Response, System, Firewall, and Signal increase.

I know now.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarrassed.gif)
but what is a point buying implanted commlink and operating system?
non-cyberware commlink is way better by just adding others:

Transys Avalon (Responce 4, Signal 4) 5000 yen
Signal 5 1000 yen
Firewall 6 3000 yen
System 5 2500 yen

11 500 yen..and no need to improve it anymore..

You do know that ANY commlink can be implanted, right?

yes, i know.. 2000 yen + commlink cost, but implanted commlink and technomancer
"witch-hunt" is not good combination. Saving essence and cash making
non-implanted much better..

Also much easier to ditch an incriminating commlink if you don't have to go into the Street Doc to get something yanked out of your head.

-paws

Very true. It has been stated in the fluff that implanted commlinks are becoming less common in the 2070's. The advantage with an implanted commlink is that it is not easy to detect, nor is it easy to disable or take away from you. It's a perfect match for a character using a 2 commlink (public and private) system.

Keep in mind that the rating of System (and thus the rating of all programs) is limited by Response. So in this case you have a Response 4 commlink with a System 5, so the System would actually run at 4. Unless you upgraded the Response as well, of course.

Skinlinked commlink in hidden mode under clothes with self-destruct modification..

There are three advantages to an implanted commlink, and a slew of disadvantages. Personally, I think the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, but that is just me.

1) Commlink is not as detectable. Even if you have your decked-out commlink hidden under your armor (or heck, even woven into your clothes.) it can still bee 'seen.' Someone can pat you down, or see the commlink's circuitry upon close inspection. However, if you have a cranial commlink, the most someone can tell without an MRI is that you have some headware modifications. Just turn off your commlink and make sure you have a datajack, and security will have a tough time detecting it.

2) Commlink is not removable. Even if someone DETECTS your cranial commlink, what are they gonna do? They can't take it away from you without cybersurgery. If a place requires you to check in your personal commlink, and use theirs . . . what are they gonna do if you have a cranial commlink? The most they can do is lock you in a wifi-proof room . . . . something that a high signal and ECCM can take care of.

3) Commlink is not easy to analyze. If you have a normal commlink modified for BTL HOTSIM, then anyone that gets ahold of that comm will be able to tell that it has some illegal mods. However, you are you going to tell a legit cranial commlink from an illegal one?

Firewall is not limited to Responce..

There is a sensor in Arsenal named "Non-Linear Junction Detector" that can detect even elettronics that aren't powered, probably you won't find it often but in high security places it's probably used in choke points for accessing sensitive locations (airports, high security corporate facilities, runner's doss, etc.), if you want to approach a target without the security knowing about your comlink you are better smuggle it in using other approaches.




It's a problem only if you want to keep the wetware intact, if not it's just an incentive to plug a bullet into it; it could also give problems with EMPs (the DNI is into the brain) and there's the risk of being hacked (if they hack your external comlink and force you into VR you can always try to physicaly turn it off and/or to trow it away, doing the same with the implanted version is a bit hard).
Also the ECCM reduce the interference of wireless noice (ECM, jammers) not the absence of signal, in order to defeat it you need a signal strong enough to pierce the isolating material on both sides of the comunication, otherwise you are either unable to trasmit or unable to recive (or unable to do either of the two).




True enough, the question is do people realy give a frag about it?

We have a player with a headware com and he hasn't seemed to have any problems yet. It just seems easier this way but it is kinda scary.

True... But sometimes, the concept is just too good to shy away from...
My latest Character... he has 5 Comlinks... 1 Implanted, 3 Linked and one for all of the Public Stuff, which I generally ignore anyway...

It was a design that I just had to do...

However, it will still just read as Headware... exactly what it is would still be unknown... you just have electronics in your head...

You're right. When I referred to "programs" my intention was not to include Firewall. I know the fluff describes it as a software Firewall (and thus it is technically a "program") I've never categorized it as such because it is one of the 4 attributes of a commlink. All the other stuff that you buy and run on it (Analyze, Browse, Attack), those are what I was referring to as "programs."

Firewall is not limited by Response? (Does that mean it is not limited by System, either?) Huh! I just assumed it was another "program". Is there a reference for this rule, or is it the lack of reference of Firewall as a program that indicates it is not limited?

Firewall is NOT a Program. Following your logic, System would limit System. As Firewall is an independent commlink attribute it is not limited by any other commlink attribute.