Ok, just read the kobold thread and once more, i was reminded of a line from RC, p. 49 :

Recognized ork metavariants include hobgoblins, oni, ogres,
and satyrs. Two other micro-populations of robustus metavariants
await phylogenetic classification and fall outside the scope
of this report.

What are those two micro-populations?
Are there any hints in canon material?
I initially thought of bugbears...any other ideas?
Will these metavariants ever be presented officially?
Seriously, what is that paragraph referring to?

I think they just put that there to give GMs the license to create/allow their own metavariants

They're not Gruthrump and Jubruq! Honest!

As long as someone doesn't pull a Saruman, I'm fine.

Yeah, my character is thinking of organizing the Orc Underground and having them all put a big white handprint on their jackets.

Ok... cool. I think I might try to come up with a Goblin metavariant if there isn't one yet.

Goblins was my first thought.

Also, the gauntlet has been dropped, I now must make an Uruk-hai metavariant.

I'm not that familliar with Earthdawn, i admit (only found out these are ED races after using my google fu).
Gruthrump are said to live in Vasgothia...so is that the ED name for ogres?
Or are they something else entirely?



There may be issues with the name, as goblins are HMHVVI-positive dwarves in SR.
But then, there's also hobgoblins, there's two kinds of minotaurs (one metahuman and one bovine) and so on, so i guess it's the (orkish) goblin's problem if there's cannibalistic Gollum-lookalikes who have been dubbed goblins before...or the (dwarven) goblin's problem if there's an orkish metavariant of the same name...

There was an Uruk hai in the onginal fluff, dispatched by stripper. A genentic experiment apptly.

What book is the Dwarven based Goblin metavariant ? Is it a 3rd or 4th ed. book ? If so I may use that instead.

I still want Bulls Disney's Gargoyles as a Meta-Variant or Surge . . *runs*

They're not a metavariant, they are what happens to dwarves (or dwarven metavariants, as well) when they become infected with a specific strain of the virus that creates vampires, wendigo and the like.
Originally, they appeared in Paranormal Animals of Europe (SR2 sourcebook).
I don't think 3rd Ed. had rules for them.

In SR4, you'll find them in Runner's Companion.



Well, SR's gargoyles have long been rumored to be sentient...there even was a cybered-up gargoyle adept in a German SR2 adventure module (the Schlagschatten anthology).

They're Snarks, obviously.

"It's Boo--!"

I don't think he was actually a gargoyle, but a shamanic adept with gargoyle as his totem, but i could be wrong.

Maybe that has been retconned, or you're referring to something else.
In the adventure, Prometheus -as the critter had been dubbed by one of the scientists who had captured him and implanted the 'ware- was definitely a gargoyle.
An experiment by AGC, the runners had to babysit him- or maybe extract him, i'm not sure, it's been more than ten years since i GMed that module and instead of bringing him back to his family/pack/flock/whatever, the team decided to take him to Berlin, where he became one of the founding members of their own street gang...

somehow I read this as New York metavariants and then when I read what it actually said was disappointed....

the White Hand gang?

If it weren't so damn expansive, i'd be leaving jet black Cyber-Hands on the Scene of my Characters crimes . .
"Wir sind die schwarze Hand!"
"We are the black hand!"
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