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> 6th World Demographics, Orc population reproductive rates vs. life spans
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post Sep 9 2009, 12:46 AM
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Maybe the male to female birth ratio is off, which would even things out? Say out of 3 litters of 4 there are only 2-3 female births? Which would go to show why there are so many ork gangers, because they are sexually frustrated and need to beat crap up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Sep 9 2009, 04:29 PM
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Or at minimum, the females are more likely to die during pregnancy/child birth, which means a mom has an effective cap of perhaps 4 children (and the remainder think 'huh, seems like having kids is a piss poor idea, thank you very much'.)
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post Sep 9 2009, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (nylanfs @ Sep 8 2009, 09:46 PM) *
Maybe the male to female birth ratio is off, which would even things out? Say out of 3 litters of 4 there are only 2-3 female births? Which would go to show why there are so many ork gangers, because they are sexually frustrated and need to beat crap up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


LOL! That's a valid theory too. But while Trolls are more scarce than orks, many of them eventually become gangers or some other "muscular job", do they have litters too? I'm away from my 2nd edition right now to check this.
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post Sep 9 2009, 06:57 PM
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No, trolls have only one child at a time, but they also have a longer lifespan (by about 10-15 years, if memory serves).
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post Sep 9 2009, 07:18 PM
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Thanks nezumi. And yes, Trolls live a little more than Orks.
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post Sep 9 2009, 10:54 PM
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I guess I don't get the issue here. India, China, and a number of other second and third world countries are massively over populated, one kid at a time, with no cyberware or magic-and plagues are pretty common place, all things considered.

I see no plausible reason why Orks wouldn't quickly outnumber other metatypes. Now just like in the real world, numbers don't always equate to power.
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post Sep 9 2009, 11:25 PM
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Another thought I was having on the death rate on pretty much any meta would be the lack of decent health and healthcare, since I presume times are tougher in a world that lacks universal healthcare and Employment Insurance benifits. If anywhere did keep those particular bonuses, I would try to emigrate there if I was a SR character, since working from the world's current finiancial debacle the panic / desperation in the US isn't present in Canada for the most part that I am aware of with those items in place to aleviate that portion of the survival game of life.

I suspect just beyond how a ork lady is able to physically nurture that many kids, cultures of violence and poverty preventing access to healthy early childhood, longterm healthcare from doctors and dentists, education on healthy lifestyle, and lack of funds for nutritional diets would make death much more common in some meta types such as orks. Living conditions might also make plagues more common among dense young populations of orks.
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post Sep 10 2009, 10:47 AM
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I like the idea of a gender imbalance, that would offset the population surge too. We are use to a roughly 50/50 split on gender (though both of my children are girls so I am not the best example). But if there was a substanilly large number of males to females say 1:6 this might also keep the population from exploding. Sure there would be lots of males but the limit on fmeales to procreate would hold it in check.
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post Sep 10 2009, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja @ Sep 10 2009, 05:47 AM) *
I like the idea of a gender imbalance, that would offset the population surge too. We are use to a roughly 50/50 split on gender (though both of my children are girls so I am not the best example). But if there was a substanilly large number of males to females say 1:6 this might also keep the population from exploding. Sure there would be lots of males but the limit on fmeales to procreate would hold it in check.


And I have 5 nephews...so we are almost even! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You can also be sure, all ork females are on the pill in the industrialized world (do they really want a litter of kids?). Paid for by Humanis.
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post Sep 10 2009, 06:57 PM
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There are lots of other factors which are not specified that could effect population growth as well.
  • Just knowing the average life span of an ork doesn't show you what the distribution of those death are. It's possible that orks that reach maturity live on average just as long as humans, but that they have 50% mortality before they reach maturity. Since large litters and shorter pregnancies generally equate to low birth weight and underdeveloped babies, orks might be more fragile than humans for the first couple years of life until their growth surpasses that of their smoothie counterparts.
  • Ork births may in multiples, but maybe orks are less likely to concieve in the first place.
  • Orks reach sexual maturity a couple years earlier than standard humans, but maybe they lose their fertility at a much earlier age also, which would result in a similar or smaller window of opportunity for conception.

So if orks matured earlier and gave birth in litters of 5 or 6, but had a lower chance of base fertility and a very high infant/youth mortality, and had a 1/3rd - 2/3rds distribution of females to males, and had menopause onset in their women at 25, then their populations might not grow any faster than the baseline human population.
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post Sep 10 2009, 08:52 PM
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Here's a thought also: How many countries do you think determine age of consent based upon metatype?

Uh, none, probably. And as the trend globally is for age of consent to level out at about 18...

...Think for a minute. How old an ork boy (or girl) is when they start puberty...and how long they have to wait before they can have sex without it being called statutory rape.

I know, in the Barrens it probably makes no difference. But outside the Barrens?
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post Sep 11 2009, 03:30 AM
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QUOTE (Penta @ Sep 10 2009, 04:52 PM) *
Here's a thought also: How many countries do you think determine age of consent based upon metatype?

Uh, none, probably.


I don't know about that. I imagine that portions of the NAN could possibly be more progressive in this regard, especially some of the meta-dominated portions.
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post Sep 11 2009, 01:33 PM
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I like the gender imbalance idea. In my experience, I've seen... five? six male orks? Yet the only female I've ever seen is the one I played myself (oh yeah, and that scary raven shaman in the book).

The only female metatype that seems less rare is dwarves, not that we'd be able to tell ;P
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post Sep 11 2009, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (nezumi @ Sep 11 2009, 08:33 AM) *
The only female metatype that seems less rare is dwarves, not that we'd be able to tell ;P

Must... not... quote... that... movie... about... 250... pound... dwarves... and beards... for... leverage...
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post Sep 16 2009, 03:31 AM
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Well to borrow from Gygax- nothing a dawrf likes to do after a long day at work is run his fingers through a long silky beard.

The SR art makes them all look like 3 foot tall Dolly Parton clones.
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post Sep 18 2009, 03:34 AM
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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Sep 15 2009, 10:31 PM) *
Well to borrow from Gygax- nothing a dawrf likes to do after a long day at work is run his fingers through a long silky beard.

The SR art makes them all look like 3 foot tall Dolly Parton clones.

*boggles*

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post Sep 18 2009, 02:32 PM
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Wait....Don't orks eat their young?
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post Sep 18 2009, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (ShadowPavement @ Sep 18 2009, 11:32 AM) *
Wait....Don't orks eat their young?


Only the redneck ones... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Sep 18 2009, 06:14 PM
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Sounds like something Humanis would say, anyway. However, I can't imagine, with 6 squaling infants, no money for food, and living in a shack you share with four other people, the kids are especially well cared for. I'm sure fatalities from other causes are tremendously high.
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post Sep 18 2009, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Sep 4 2009, 10:21 AM) *
I had thought on a similar theory. This could work, if you consider that the "Mana" is just like the "Force" (without the midchlorians, of course).

Yes we have FAB instead (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Sep 18 2009, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja @ Sep 5 2009, 03:59 PM) *
Exactly. Many orks live in poverty and they suffer malnutrition and exposure. So their bodies go for the max. A well off Ork though does not 'need' to worry as much about her children surviving so her body does not 'produce' as many eggs when the mothers 'comfort' level is at a certain point.

Remember also that the children of a litter will be smaller than of a single birthing. The mother can only stretch so far. Even with the extra bulk orks carry they are still relatively the same size as human mothers. I know how far each of my two girls 'pushed' me and they are two years apart. If I was to carry 6-8 at a time instead of just one, there is no way they could have been as large at birth and smaller babies are much more vulnerable.

Hmmm this is interesting. The only thing I know about is rats. I had friends that used to raise rats (the cuddly friendly type, not Ben). Since pet stores breed rats to feed snakes, these types of rats live in horrible conditions. Dozens of rats crammed in small cages, poor nutrition, and etc. After a while of this the average rat litter goes down to 3 or 4 live births. If you take a breeding female out of these conditions (my friend threatened to call the aspca, and the pet store stopped breeding rats), and place the rat in clean spacious conditions with good nutrition (and show some affection, not sure if that makes a difference or not), the litter size can skyrocket up to 8 (as happened in this case). So by improving the conditions, not only do more rats (read orcs) survive child birth, but the litter size may increase as well.
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