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> Dumpshock I plead your aid, How to break yourself out of prision when your team won't.
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post Nov 16 2009, 03:10 AM
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Ok, well this probibly isn't possible but I'm stripped of ideas and so far I've seen dumpshockers be pretty creative befor so I thought I'd see if any of you have any ideas as to how to pull it off.
Hears the situation:
My hacker, Lok1, has been taken to prision, and his erased rank 10b quailty has removed his criminal SIN, makeing it quite possible his sentance will never end.
My team has desided to leave me to my fate so I don't expect any help from them. (Assholls)
Stats:
Body:2 Agility:3 Reaction:2 Strength:2 Charisma:4 Intuition:2 Logic:6 Willpower:2 Edge:2
My pools that might help are as such:
Chemistry with a pool of 12 for normal stuff and 14 for explosives
A demolitions of pool 13 with 15 for IEDs
Con 7 and 9 for impersonation
Disguise 5, 7 for cosmetics
Your basic skills for a hacker (Modest pools) And a butt load of malware that he uses against his targets.
Implants:
A datajack, A Vocal Range Enhancer (The bioware one from augemented), Cybereyes, an Implanted Comlink, and Wired Reflexis
Other Information:
He is friends with an AI in the Ares mainframe, who knows that he is their. What it will do the GM has not yet said.
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Well thats all I got if you have any ideas as how to escape please feel free to give suggestions, I'd rather not have to wait till SR5 to bring this guy back but plans that take years are OK. I don't realy care how "wile coyote" any ideas are I just want to see if I can get him out of prision.
Note: I do not know what implants/other things they have disabled but it is likely he no longer has access to the comlink.
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post Nov 16 2009, 03:12 AM
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Before anyone can do you any good you need to describe to us how your DM has decided prisons work in the Sixth World.
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post Nov 16 2009, 03:14 AM
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Cut a deal, and rat those bastards out.
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post Nov 16 2009, 03:23 AM
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Use that Con of 7 to talk the other inmates into starting trouble, then go from there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Seriously though, find out from someone on the outside what day court is on, hire some shadowrunners to dress up as prison guards on that day and just pick you up. If you are afraid of getting caught making plans, talk another inmate into making the calls for you, while you watch if you like. Course you will have to make promises and owe favors.
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post Nov 16 2009, 03:28 AM
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QUOTE (TeOdio @ Nov 16 2009, 04:14 AM) *
Cut a deal, and rat those bastards out.

Tried that allready, you have to realise I gliched and failed on my roll when they interogated me after catching me.
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post Nov 16 2009, 03:29 AM
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This sounds like a job for your contacts, Maybe you should call your ex girlfriend, although a loyalty of 2 sounds like you guys had a pretty bad falling out, you will owe her BIG time. Your street doc is really connected, I bet he knows somebody that can spring you. But again, loyalty of 1, he'll own your soul.

It sounds like your looking for something more along the lines of using your crazy demolitions dice pool to make explosives out of lighter fluid and human phecies. But you have no unarmed combat, no armor, no physical skills, no stealth skills. I'd put your odds of survival at 15%. Maybe you could CON your way into a position where you could diguise youself in a way to gain escape. worst case scenario, you get thrown in "the hole" for a few months when you get caught.

OOC: if you want to play this character, the GM should work with you to find a way out of this mess. I know some GM's get a hard on for reality and what not, but this is a game, and everyone should be having fun. Which begs the question. Why are your teammates hanging you out to dry?
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post Nov 16 2009, 03:33 AM
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Perhaps they know he betrayed them already? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)
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post Nov 16 2009, 04:39 AM
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No they just don't like my character enough to risk their ass's to rescue me.
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post Nov 16 2009, 04:40 AM
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Well that's a good enough reason too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)
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post Nov 16 2009, 04:44 AM
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If you have a (real) or fake Sin of reasonable rating (in my game it'd need to be a 4+ and otherwise clean, but check with your GM), I'd suggest requesting (if you haven't used it) your one phone call / right to counsel under the UCAS constitution and present yourself to them as someone being held without being charged: the crime has been erased from your records so they won't find anything and you should be free to go assuming your fake sin holds up. if you have a real sin to fall back on everything is good and you're out of there. (I'm guessing you don't have a real sin, since you got assigned a criminal one, but certain kinds of bio/cyber can make it possible to possess a real sin and not let authorities be aware of it.)

either way they won't find you in the system, so without any way to prove that you did it a reasonable UCAS prison would/should let you go - although they'd probably assign you a new criminal SiN on the way out the door. If you go with the Lawyer angle, you may be able to pay to present yourself as a new applicant for citizenship to the UCAS - which in the end would result in you being out of the clink, but with a new negative quality of either legal or illegal SIN - which... hey hey! can then be erased 24 hours after you finish needing it to get free.

incidentally, Erased (10bp) allows you to optionally prevent erasure if you can contact the agency erasing; in cases where the information might be necessary for keeping you out of situations like this, I'd recommend using it.

then again, between vocal range enhancement and impersonation you could do worse than buying off some guys to knock out a guard about your size, steal his uniform and walk out the front door.
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post Nov 16 2009, 04:57 AM
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Erased should bail you out. Jail is not free,and the corp that runs the jail is not going to keep you in if the judiciary system is not paying. Just wait for the bill to bounce, or try to complain to force them to check. Invent anything: you were drunk, you fell asleep in the street and you woke up here.
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post Nov 16 2009, 05:03 AM
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My SIN was rateing 3, I'll have to talk to my GM about the erased thing.
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post Nov 16 2009, 05:16 AM
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That could make a pretty good setting: since the city hall got late on their bill, the jail corp releases everybody. That's plenty of work for bodyguards, bounty hunters and hitmen. It might even be a good time for a gang to turn respectable and provide some protection against the crime wave. But that guy you sold a long time ago has been thinking about revenge all along.
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post Nov 16 2009, 05:37 AM
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QUOTE (Jericho Alar @ Nov 15 2009, 10:44 PM) *
If you have a (real) or fake Sin of reasonable rating (in my game it'd need to be a 4+ and otherwise clean, but check with your GM), I'd suggest requesting (if you haven't used it) your one phone call / right to counsel under the UCAS constitution and present yourself to them as someone being held without being charged:

Just to clarify: there is no "one phone call" mentioned in the USA Constitution (although UCAS may have changed things), although there is a Constitutional right to a speedy trail (Ammendment #4 I believe) and a right to a lawyer.

You should play this angle to try and get out.

See if you can get let out for not having an actual crime for being put in, and then sue for wrongful imprisonment. Get some cash outta it, yo!
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post Nov 16 2009, 05:46 AM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 16 2009, 12:37 AM) *
Just to clarify: there is no "one phone call" mentioned in the USA Constitution (although UCAS may have changed things), although there is a Constitutional right to a speedy trail (Ammendment #4 I believe) and a right to a lawyer.

You should play this angle to try and get out.

See if you can get let out for not having an actual crime for being put in, and then sue for wrongful imprisonment. Get some cash outta it, yo!


yeah in retrospect it wasn't clear enough. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Due Process (Amendements 5 and 14 for federal and state, respectively) are what guarantee the right to representation at your trial spring from, including the nature of the representation etc. obviously the numbers would have changed in the UCAS cons, ofc.

I had meant the 'under the UCAS constitution' to only modify the post-slash language; the one phone call is just a common device in cop shows (although it's proven so persistent that some states have adopted it via regulation) access to outside phone lines is generally considered a due process right as well, although technically it's only a right to have your agent or other executor informed for the purposes of arranging your defense, which the police may do on your behalf instead.

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post Nov 16 2009, 05:51 AM
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Once you've gotten all the way to prison you're just screwed. The time to get out is at the police station, jail or worst at trial. You should have spent every cent you had on the best lawyer you could get, then promised favors to everyone you knew to get more money if it wasn't enough.

I'd suggest that it's a great time to start another character, but try to figure out how you pissed off the GM and don't do it again.
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post Nov 16 2009, 05:57 AM
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Actualy despite my lack of SIN, I think I might have an out. Loki's contact, Fenrir is a master of forgery. All Loki needs it to find someone in prision, tell them he can get them out if they can get him contact with someone on the outside. Loki calls Fenrir, gets him to make him a Rank 5 SIN (with the promise of paying for it when he's out plus some) and at this point he starts useing his silver toung and gets himself out.
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post Nov 16 2009, 06:06 AM
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QUOTE (Lok1 :) @ Nov 15 2009, 11:57 PM) *
Actualy despite my lack of SIN, I think I might have an out. Loki's contact, Fenrir is a master of forgery. All Loki needs it to find someone in prision, tell them he can get them out if they can get him contact with someone on the outside. Loki calls Fenrir, gets him to make him a Rank 5 SIN (with the promise of paying for it when he's out plus some) and at this point he starts useing his silver toung and gets himself out.

Unless you have years to wait, you'll not be getting out with a R5 Fake Sin. With a Forgery + Edit (260, 1 week) Extended Test, and using the current Diminishing Returns core rule, you'll never see it. Using the optional rule, and assuming an amazing 4 successes can be made per test, we're talking 5 years, one month (as 4 weeks), and a week.

My best suggestion is getting a lawyer and using the Wrongful Imprisonment Act. If your lack of a SIN comes up, plead the 5th Ammendment (Protection against self-incrimination [if they still have it]), state that there is no reason on record for you to be arrested, even though you are illegally without a SIN, accept a Criminal SIN, and walk away. In 24 hours, the CrimSIN will be burned and gone.
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post Nov 16 2009, 06:41 AM
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What kind of prison are you into ? A low-level small labor area for petty thiefs is definitively not the same as a high security, solitary confinment for murderers.

Worse, inf the corp managing the jail finds out that as far as official paperwork goes you don't exist, they may ship you to some experimental block experimenting with neursurgical/implant/drug/magic/whatever "rehab" methods... or simply sell or rent you as a live guinea pig for some test program - or even organ donor.
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post Nov 16 2009, 09:37 AM
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I think some pretty good answers have already been stated here.

However, unless things are already solved, how about some more information? Are you in "county holding," are you still waiting for your court date, are you in big time/real people jail (and, if so, how did you get there)? Are you in some podunk "go dig us a ditch," max security, etc etc.

Not a whole lot else we can do without some more info. (Though I do like the "wait for the bill to bounce" option. Unless you're in the stereotypical "deep south," where they will laugh at complaints and you're in FOREVER -see: Banana Republics-, it should work out. Jails are for-profit, and Lone Star ain't going to keep someone who they aren't getting money for.)

Though between Lone Star corruptness, your Con and voice mod, and monies, you really should be able to buy yourself out. Talk to some guard; he will laugh at you and move on. But a few days later he will probably come back (his curiosity got the best of him, and he checked on you) and want to know how your getting him his money.
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post Nov 16 2009, 09:49 AM
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* Interesting situation. Check with your GM; does he expect you to pick up a new character, or can you get him excited about a prison break storyline?

* Go watch Prison Break (seazon 1) for inspiration what a guy with technical skills can do to a prison.

* Shouldn't you be worried that the rest of the group would expect you to take revenge? If you get out while they left you there, they might consider killing you just to prevent revenge...


On to practical advice:
* Make allies in prison. You need people to watch your back and aid your plans. Be careful not to get into intrigue too deeply. Consider joining a prison gang with connections to the outside world.
* You need Matrix access. Scam your way to a terminal and then cause a fake release warrant to be sent for you.
* Convince an extremist group that they want your bomb-making skills; they'll liberate you if you'll work for them.
* Convince your AI buddy you'll do a free job for Ares if they get you out.
* Subdue a guard and steal his uniform, then walk out when your bombs cause a panic.
* Figure out how the prison works; blueprints, organization, rules, unwritten rules
* Prison can be a good place to pick up new skills and make contacts - it doesn't have to be a punishment if you play it right.
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post Nov 16 2009, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Nov 16 2009, 01:06 AM) *
With a Forgery + Edit (260, 1 week)


I'm curious as to where you're getting that number.
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post Nov 16 2009, 11:25 AM
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I think disguising yourself as a guard is a good bet if you need to do an action escape. You've got good disguise and even better impersonation. If you still have your commlink and hacksofts then you might be able to fool their ID systems to accept you.
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post Nov 16 2009, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Nov 16 2009, 05:33 AM) *
I'm curious as to where you're getting that number.


Unwired, p85: Fake SIN (Rating x 32) 1 week
Should have been 160, not 260, but that's still a long time.
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post Nov 16 2009, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE (Cheshyr @ Nov 16 2009, 06:19 AM) *
Unwired, p85: Fake SIN (Rating x 32) 1 week
Should have been 160, not 260, but that's still a long time.


That's for a PC starting from scratch though. For a professional forger they likely have a lot of the background crap done already and sitting on a shelf, it'll just be a matter of putting Lok1's biometrics into it.
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