Which makes sense because, basically, if you have a blade that's implanted alongside your fist, then you make a fist and throw a punch.
then the blade just happens to hit the target. but the movement is exactly the same.

Not necessarily. Read the text above the specialization:It could also mean the use of cyberlimb(s) or bone lacing in unarmed combat.

Or even use it as a defensive specialization when fighting unarmed against people with cyberimplants....

Since when do Shock Hands or BONES count as Cyber-Implant-Weapons?
Those have ALLWAYS been used with the regular UNARMED skill.
And since when are there specializations for purely defensive stuff?

Take a Look at Wolverine here. His Spurs extend from the back of his hands/between his knuckles.
Now if he extends them, he pierces. if he does not, the movement is exactly the same, but not piercing.

It's 4A, and worth every single $ it costs (a few more even, it's actually fairly cheap). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Shock HANDS not Shock GLOVES (the first is a cyber implant). And both do use the Unarmed Combat skill, actually.




I don't know... it didn't look like he was fist fighting when he used those in the movies. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Next thing you guys want is to use a Katar with Unarmed Combat? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

Bye
Thanee

And to quell that argument you just have to read the description for Unarmed Combat. You could use the same specialization with Blades, in fact.

Again, the descriptions for those two skills are pretty specific. Blades covers bladed cyberware implanted in the hands, Unarmed Combat covers pretty much any other type of cyberware implanted in the hands, and Exotic Weapons covers all the really weird shit.

Which is why I am curious as to whether fingertips/fingers are considered part of the hand for the purposes of the blades skill. IMO, cyber implants should be their own skill since I can easily imagine fighting with implants would be combination of the implants being retracted and protracted while fighting, that the proper triggering of the implants would be just as important as the style itself.

Yes. Your fingers are considered part of your hand. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

The Jews consider from your fingertips down to your elbows as part of your hand. I'm not helping much here, just saying.

Just to throw this out there, I fight with my punch daggers pretty much exactly as I do when I don't have them. I specifically bought short punch daggers for exactly that reason. Regarding Dahrken's statement, I would like to reference knifehand and spearhand techniques. Hand blades would simply expand the range of relevant targets for such techniques.

In real life, martial arts teach you to use similar movements with both weapons and your bare hands, and some weapons use the same movements despite one of them being sharp and one of them being blunt.

In Shadowrun, weapons are divided into pointy and bonky (and exotic weapons as the catchall for anything that doesn't fit neatly into the pointy or bonky category).

It's just like the Fichetti Executive Action [Light Pistol] and FN 5-7C [Machine Pistol]. Both are pistols, both have similar ammo capacities, both have exactly the same damage output, and (most importantly) both are SA/BF weapons. Yet one uses the Pistols skill while the other uses the Automatics skill. Oh and despite the descriptions, art, and even real life counterparts, the FN 5-7C is a monstrous weapon that makes a Desert Eagle look tiny (+2 Concealability) while the Fichetti is a tiny little mouse (-2 Concealability). Which, to this day, I still don't get.

As Glyph basically said, Shadowrun says "fuck you" to logic when it comes to which skill you use. It's pure, 100% CrunchyBits™ as Kerenshara likes to say.

same with Hand Razors and Climbig Claws.Its the same 'ware but You're using a totally different fighting Style

with a tottally different Dance
Medicineman

No, Dungeons and Dragons is "pure, 100% CrunchyBits™." Shadowrun still does have an extremely sandbox, freeform style of play, and often encourages the GM to make calls. D&D (3.5, not sure about 4th) has about a paragraph of GM-Call info for the entire 100+ books available. If it is not covered in the rules for D&D, you can't do it. If it is not covered in the rules for SR, default.

Not the same 'ware. Climbing claws are totally non-restricted and do not get the +1 damage. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Well worth non-restricted gear.

BTW where does it say which skill is used with the climbing claws? I could be Exotic Melee Weapon or Unarmed.

It doesn't, but it does say that the implant is similar to hand razors, which would make it Blades (unarmed for you houserulers).

Is a claw a blade?

I think the distinction is in that most metahumans do not naturally have claws and therefor the action used to attack with them is more similar to armed combat, which is an arguable distinction from a martial arts perspective but not from a RAW perspective.