You can for the massive cost of 0.1 Essence and 3,000 nuyen. The point remains nonetheless. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I do think not allowing people to default is a pretty silly rule in and of itself, though. Attribute - 1 is already a pretty big hit. Being infirm (at least as described, such as the "couch potato hacker") doesn't mean you can't do something, you just suck when you do.

Just a point, but Perception is not a Physical Skill... so Infirm would not affect it in the least...

Also a point, but You MAY NOT DEFAULT on a physical skill you do not have if you have the Infirm negative quality... you would either have to purchase the skill (at double cost) or get skillwires to bypass the limit (which I have issues with)...

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Uhm, duh. I didn't say otherwise.

Regardless of the involved mechanics, it's hard to argue that a character described as being fat and lazy shouldn't have the Infirm quality. Arguing the mechanics of that flaw is something else entirely, and one that rightfully should be discussed with an individual GM. It's like recommending people not take the SINner: Criminal quality if they have a criminal SIN.

Actually you did... Here is the Quote...



You do not Suck when you do it, you cannot even attempt the action... this is what I was replying to... If I misunderstood, I apologize... And I do tend to agree with you in that respect, if you are describing the effects fo a negative quality, you should probably take the negative quality... but that may or may not be applicable, especially if you have a great concept and have already reached your Negative Quality Cap... at that point it is just flavor and not a mechanical drawback... you could have an Edge of 1 and be unlucky or have an edge of 7 and take the negative quality Bad Luck... in my opinion, it reaches the same objective...

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Yes it is. You might be mistaking with Enhanced Articulation that only affects Physical skills that are linked to a Physical Attribute.

You are right... I was confusing it with Enhanced Articulation and Physical Skills lined to Physical Attributes...
Yep, the Infirm character would really suck if he refused to purchase Perception... but then again, that is his choice... There is a reason that Infirm is worth 20 Build Points... Odd that it does not affect Combat Skills at all... I would have thought that it would affect them just as well as the Physical Skills, but hey, that is the way it was written...

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You have some serious mental problems, dude. Just quit replying to my posts unless you're going to learn how to fucking read properly.

Hello Pot...

Seriously, Your statement was pretty cut and dried... and I replied to it as such...

If you cannot debate in a polite fashion, and remove the Profanity, then you are really not worth a lot in my opinion... Kind of reduces your standing here if all you can do is reply with profane attacks when your ideas are challenged... and for reference, I would bet that my reading comprehension and retention is more than a match for yours... I may make mistakes from time to time, but at least I admit them, and am willing to learn... can you say the same thing?

Just because you have accumulated over 8,000 posts, it does not make you right... Please remember that...

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Considering that half your posts around here the last three or four times you've gone on a spam fit have involved you hunting down my posts just so you can say something idiotic about them in order to incite me to reply just like this, I have only one thing to say: Piss off.

And yes, quoting the "Being infirm (at least as described, such as the 'couch potato hacker') doesn't mean you can't do something, you just suck when you do" part of my full post of "I do think not allowing people to default is a pretty silly rule in and of itself, though. Attribute - 1 is already a pretty big hit. Being infirm (at least as described, such as the "couch potato hacker") doesn't mean you can't do something, you just suck when you do" is, in fact, you being a fucking troll who can't read properly. So again: Piss off.

Did... did Dr.Funkenstein just call someone a troll? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/question.gif)

Pffffttttttttttttttt........

Well, I do not hunt you down to antagonize you, it is just that oftentimes you say such stupid things, and I am inclined to respond... I post quite a bit here, more than you it seems, in a lot of cases, and I single no one out for antagonism...

anyway, KMA My Friend...

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He thought that he was being Erudite... but completely missed the point that oftentimes he is the trollish one...

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But if you are actively following him and posting after his posts, perhaps you should take some moments of self-reflection and ask "why am I doing this?" If you AREN'T actively following him, perhaps, in the spirit of harmony and good discussion, you should think twice before posting in response to him. If he is feeling persecuted, even if you think you aren't doing this on purpose, then you should express some measure of empathy and back off, right?

In the forums, people do tend to post in short bursts (whenever they eke out some time from their lives), but that doesn't mean you have to post a "Well said" or "I agree" everywhere.

I agree...


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Well said.

Agreed...

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Maybe Dr. Funkenstein is right about the trollish behavior. Think about that.

And yet of the three that did so, you chose my post to respond to? Interesting indeed...

Think about that...

And there is nothing wrong about posting a quick agreement or interrogative if that is your preference... I do not tend to berate others for doing so, why do you feel the need to do so yourself? Also an Interesting Question, don't you think?

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I was referring to the point that you may make people feel like you are stalking them with the short agreements or "Well said" or whatever interspersed with other more well-formed comments, simply by sheer post count. It wasn't meant as a comment to berate you personally.

It's probably just a mis-communication on my part, as I had intended that comment to be put into the context of the earlier paragraph (but people somehow think that a double break return separates the meaning from the previous point, rather than providing a convenient breath of air between verbose paragraphs). Basically, my point is that the you may be unaware of the other person's feeling of persecution if you post so often and so flippantly.

Still, it's not okay to attack Dr. Funkenstein just because his opinion may differ from yours and is stated in a more loud and coarse manner. And if he feels persecuted by you (which he obviously does, in so many words), maybe you should back off a bit? You may think you're being funny, I guess, but I'd expect a bit more empathy from one such as you.

Which I am willing to do...
I do not tend to Attack perople personally however, and his remarks were way out of line... which Is why I continued to push the point a bit... I offer my apologies if my conduct forced him to feel persecuted...

In the end, I often agree with the Doc on things, sometimes I do not... on those times that I do not, I welcome the discourse that he provides, as long as he (or anyone else) remains civil about it... when it degenerates to blantant personal attacks and profanity, then I take exception... it is not necessary to profane someone to make a point, and it is definitely unprofessional to do so...

Anyways, I never hold a grudge, I just tend to expect some amount of decorum... Thanks for the discourse...

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I had a reason for my simple post above.
And those who read my posts probably understood what my point was...



If you don't... check my start date and post count to that of Tymeaus. Not that I am picking on you Tymeaus, I often say in my posts that I don't feel I need to respond to many conversations and my post count shows that. Not that I have nothing to say but more that I would add nothing to the conversation. It is amazing how many jump into a topic and add nothing more than "I agree" or post what would best be described as attacks on topics that have effectively died.

You, TJ, attacked Dr. Funk in the Attunement topic. Whether you think you did or not is irrelevant. You basically said the same thing that myself or others did already and wrote it in a tone that is smeared with disdain. I understand why Dr. F gets harsh with his words with you.

I am the Medicineman (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
Cyb Ork is a Char (one of many) that I'm playing in SR4.F.E. this Weekand at a Convention in Remscheid (Germany)
He is Mundane.I made him using the optional Rule of a Full Cyborg Suite(with my GMs OK) and the Advantage of Bio Compatibility to Cyberware.
than I used up nearly all Resources to make a Alpha Cyborg Suite giving him a total of 40% discount to all Essence Cost with Cyberware (in the Cybersuite only .Any othe Cyber is 10% + Grade off)
Cyb Ork started with 4 to 6 in STR,REA,AGI and CON .I gave him Synaptic Acc I (more wasn't possible )for 2 IPs and he started with (IIRC) <0,5 Essence
He has now >75 Karma,has Attributes of about 6-8, 3 IPs (I upgraded the Synaptic Acc. to II ) and he's the Groups Main "Tank" .His Cyberarmor is 11/11 (not much more possible because I need the Slots for other Augmentations) and his total Armor is about 22-25/20-24.
I've been reassured several Times that the Char is not Imbalanced and he's far away from being completed

HeyaheyaHeya
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Edited for Clarity, Spewlling and soem Grammar... My typing is atrocious today...

First Mikado, I have gone back and read the posts you are refering to, and if you actually look at them (there are 2 of them in the Attunement Thread) you will notice the EDIT placed before the actual text in the first post noting that I did not see the other posts prior to mine, and I added the edit so that it would not have to be read again... I did not remove it, as I was unsure if anyone had already perused the post... I hate Ninja Edits and removals... therefore I indicated to ignore it if you were not interested...

And second... there was no disdain involved at all.. I was citing references in the relevant points... as you said, much like others had done... As there is no tone on the internet, and no body language involved, I cannot be held responsible for someone else taking offense because they so choose... The only thing I will admit that I did was taunt him a bit because throughout the entire thread, he continued to change his arguments... which others had noticed and posted about as well... If you chose to interpret that as Disdain, well, then that is on you... But as I said before, no problems, If Doc. was offended, he could have come out and rationally and civilly said so, but he did not, he took it to the next level, and that is on him, not me.

I do not mind discourse or even argments, as long as they remain somewhat civil... when I am attacked, I tend to react poorly, and maybe that is a flaw on my part (and Incivility is in my book completely unacceptable, there is no need for it)... I have noticed that the Internet provides a "Forum" for those that want to make everything a personal affront, and many individuals do not provide the basics of civility because there are no reprecussions on the Internet... it is extremely impersonal... as a result, many people tend to become abusive and profane, for whatever reasons... who knows, maybe it makes them feel important or more powerful, I don't know... when That occurs, I will call someone on it, and make no apologies about doing so...

As for just thorwing in a quick agreement or two, there is nothing wrong with that, it shows support for a line of reasoning or topic... I do not apologize for that in the least... If it bothers you, don't let it... I always appreciate a quick word of agreement or support when I am posting (wherever I go), and I am sure that others do as well... If it offends you, then just ignore it and move on... it is not meant to be offensive...

Anyways, I am no way trying to provoke an argument with these statements, so everyone have a great evening...

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How do you account for the Armor/Encumberance issues at that Rating of Armor?
Just Curious...

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