I dont know, I have a rifle that is over a hundred years old and it works just fine... gotta clean it more and take care of it better, but it still fires, and pretty darn accurately too...

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I think good designs get recycled.

Sure it might be caseless and made of newer materials but a good design is a good design. Like some one mentioned the 1911 pistol and ak47/ak98 designs. I find it hard to believe Glocks will be gone 60 years from now.

Isn't the M1 the basis for a Ruger designed carbine ranch gun? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Police_Carbine
Now make it mostly composite materials and caseless.

There's also the Mini-14, which is very derivative of the M-14.

Bottom line, guns are a pretty stable technology and the basic designs are pretty derivative for a reason. Gas operation and rotating bolts just plain work. The Fubuki is really the only weapon in SR4 that really deviates from modern weapons, smartlink aside.


Personally, I don't fuss much about it if one of my players wants to adapt a specific weapon to the game. I may make them jump through more hoops to get their hands on an "antique" M-14 or M-14 derivative than if they had simply gone to Weapons World and bought something current, but at the end of the day, all they'd really be asking for is a sport or sniper rifle with little in the way of bells and whistles. If they got a hold of one that was converted into a designated marksman or sniper weapon, congratulations, you get the sniper rifle ranges, otherwise, you're looking at a sport rifle. Either way I'd just toss them a 7P -1AP damage code and call it good.

I asked my husband about these and he said some WW1 smg's are period, others, like Chauchats are remakes. The big, heavy metal is fine but the finer details, like springs, tend to break down.

He asked an ATF agent if they had a problem with guys who had the weapons and was told "No, you guys want to show off your toys and know what you are doing. We re afraid of the guy hiding in his basement with this stuff."

One of my Characters carries a .600 Nitro Express, we just used the Elehpant Gun out of the SR Book.

IRL i have a Peacemaker and a Sharps .50 that both fuction fine.

The .600 Gibbs Nitro Express is a sweet weapon...

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Recently Kovu bought one of the 2070 versons and Took the Short Barrel, and Folding Stock, eat your hart out Mad Max.

FYI Raygun's work is IMO the authoritas on this subject.

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I haven't been able to get that link to work in a while, so that site is probably long dead.

However, some two years ago I worked with Raygun to get a PDF version of his site put together. I still have it, and I believe that Kagentenshi was hosting it on his web page (don't have the link handy).

I'm leaving for the holidays, but when I get back, I'd be more than happy to send the PDF of Raygun's site to anyone who is willing to post it.

Granted, much of the info is SR3, but it's pretty easy to convert. I know I've done it for my SR4 games.

Lets not forget about these guns effectivness against 2072 body armor.

That's correct (link doesn't work yet), but I understood from Raygun he was working on getting the site back up at the same url. Might take a month, but at least he was working on it (the quote is from a thread on the Dumpshock dev forum)

love that gun, been wanting to buy one.here

wildest non-normal gun I ever owned was a Mataba, too damn large to carry easily but maybe for a troll...

I assume you mean the Mateba Grifone?
They also make sane 4"-6" sized auto-revolvers.

A 6" revolver isn't really a good carry weapon for most folks, and the applications where I do see them carried (usually as back-country Bear Guns) are situations where my personal choice would be something along the lines of a short shotgun or a .45-70 carbine on a sling. YMMV, of course.

Actually it's based on a pistol version of the Metal Storm weapons.

Did they actually have a sidearm version of their stuff when SR4 hit? I thought they just had artillery pieces then. Anyway, swap "modern" with "conventional" and you get the idea. Metal Storm's been brought up roughly a billion times around here, tbh, although I've never really bothered looking into it much. I'm not really all that into guns.

Not sure, they had a pistol version on Future Weapons that I think was on before 4e came out but I have never seen it for sale. Not even on their website. It was probably just a prototype. It looked really bizarre with 4 barrels.

Uniquia 6 I think. 6" or 8" barrell. wonderfully accurate, amazing light in the hand because the action absorbed all the recoil but too honking big to carry concelled or even openely in a holster where it would be secure, and jambed up real easy at any grit.

All the early prototypes were 9mm, and the first attempt at a pre-production unit was the O'Dwyer VLE, a 4 barrel MS design with several large caliber, low velocity barrels, and several small caliber, high velocity barrels. A police officer would have the option of firing something like paintballs filled with pepper spray before escalating to real bullets.

It turned out that nobody showed much interest until the 40mm MS systems came out.