![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
![]()
Post
#26
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: 2-March 09 From: 67211 Member No.: 16,927 ![]() |
I'm planning on a drone rigger/ demolitionist.
I'm not sure if taking the adept quality and bumping up his magic stat will ruin this, but I'm going to check the point costs. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#27
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
...
............ Rigger/Demolitions!? There's no point in being a drake at all if that's the route you're going. Drakes get free magic (which, admittedly, can't be raised except by becoming a mage or adept), cyber/bio doesn't work in dracoform (genetech is questionable), lowers your magic (see previous point), you're not already a mage/adept and have maxed out your quality expenditures, and all those cool toys you get for being in drake form you're not taking advantage of. Unless you're going to stip naked every time you plant a bomb just so you can have 2 extra dice (which you could have gotten via cyber or bio had you not been a drake, or gotten via mage/adept via spells/powers). I honestly don't see the point. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#28
|
|
Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 ![]() |
drake rigger demolitions... why?! why be something really cool then be in a role where it doesnt matter?
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#29
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
drake rigger demolitions... why?! why be something really cool then be in a role where it doesnt matter? Echos my thoughts. Which is why my character is a drake infiltrator with SURGE for more reasons to be naked (go dynamic camo skin!) I looked at every bonus there was to being a drake and went "where would these assets be most helpful? How can I get more in the same vein?" |
|
|
![]()
Post
#30
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 13-April 09 Member No.: 17,073 ![]() |
Ok, I'll up him to max height, which is 100 cm or 3 feet 3 & 1/3 inches, so I can look like a short five or six year old. And I'll just have a drone attend the meeting if I can't get in. Or I could build a drone that I can drive or fly and come in it. I'm just saying, at that height, that's two year old size. Even the smallest five or six year old would be around 39 inches tall. And they'd be at the point of dwarfism (the medical condition in humans, not the race), not able to pass for normal to anyone who's ever seen human children before. I don't mean to rain on your parade, really, I'm known for my "out there" concepts. I'm all for it. I'm just saying that's what the data presents, and this is from 1977, let alone almost a hundred years later. Even a chronically malnourished barrens kid would be almost impossible to be that small...human development simply doesn't work that way. Pediatric growth charts |
|
|
![]()
Post
#31
|
|
Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 ![]() |
drake infiltrator... sounds cool. not sure how a drake would have SURGE, maybe I dont know what it is. Possible as I'm still in 3rd.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#32
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
drake infiltrator... sounds cool. not sure how a drake would have SURGE, maybe I dont know what it is. Possible as I'm still in 3rd. SURGE was a Year of the Comet thing that made "furries" and "catpeople." There's a whole host of new "metagenetic" qualities you can pick up to design your own genetic deviatiants. Such as: extravagant skin color (blue, purple, orange, red...), extravagant eyes (purple, slitted, etc), radar sense (aka echolocation), astral hazing (it's a negative quality, trust me, even if the effect is overwhelmingly beneficial), ears, beak, tail (vestigial, balance, prehensile*), claws, and a bunch of others. My drake picked up dynamic camouflage skin, which basically makes him a gecko, albinism,** extravagant eyes and something else I'm not recalling at the moment.^ I figure that SURGE qualities would apply to both forms (I see no reason why not), so being in dracoform has serious advantages over the elf body (+2 AGL, flight, 4/4 armor,^^ enhanced senses, etc. etc.) including the fact that he'd be naked anyway, which gives +2 dice (4 when stationary) to infiltration from the camo skin. *For the life of me I had a hard time remembering this word as I went to type it, thank god for google and knowing dolphin anatomy a little too well **Even though he changes color, you can still have the downsides of being an albino, such as as that allergy to sunlight and a "default" skin color of white. ^Cat-like? Was that a metagenetic one? Bonus dice to Infiltration tests IIRC. ^^I picked up no worn armor at all. Just basic clothing. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#33
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 ![]() |
There is an extra glitch to your idea : if you shift to a drake form, you can no longer use implants or even a 'trode net, and you cannot speak.
This means that you're now limited to controlling your drones through their pilot and manual operation (not even voice command !) of your comlink... assuming the comlink is Drake-adapted (in a pinch I guess a Troll-adapted one would fit the need for oversized controls but it would be BIG and look quite out of place on the character when he is not shifted). Why did you absolutely want to make him a Drake ? I fail to see what this would add to the concept of an escaped, paranoid clone gnome rigger in hidding and burns A LOT of points. Think about it : the character is tracked AND paranoid, is he going to Shift when he knows this will makes him much easier to locate for those guys in white coats looking for him ? |
|
|
![]()
Post
#34
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
This means that you're now limited to controlling your drones through their pilot and manual operation (not even voice command !) of your comlink... assuming the comlink is Drake-adapted (in a pinch I guess a Troll-adapted one would fit the need for oversized controls but it would be BIG and look quite out of place on the character when he is not shifted). My gm has declared that I need to swap contact lenses if I'm going to be using any AR that way. But so far I haven't been swapping forms at any point where it needs to happen instantly (eg. middle of combat). The rest of it is pretty much handwaved. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#35
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 ![]() |
Well, I was a bit pessimistic didn't think about that option.
He could probably do with a google/glove (or lenses/gloves) interface (Drake-adapted obviously, which is definitvely not easy to find and a big pointer for anybody hunting him). But AR-only and no DNI commands means he would be a pretty slow rigger which kinda defeats the point of rigging. Also I hope they plan to have a decent hacker or TM on the team to protect his assets from unwanted interference, otherwise his drones are not going to be his for long - with all the points used by the Gnome metatype and the Drake quality and no implants I don't think he could manage to cover that angle by himself. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#36
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
He could probably do with a google/glove (or lenses/gloves) interface (Drake-adapted obviously, which is definitvely not easy to find and a big pointer for anybody hunting him). But AR-only and no DNI commands means he would be a pretty slow rigger which kinda defeats the point of rigging. My infiltrator isn't hunted and has the background (if not the skill points*) to have modified his own equipment. Plus he's not a hacker (basic comlink and no programs), the only hacking he does is through hardware consoles. *Hardware 1? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) But hey, I did actually buy a nexus for his magical lodge. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#37
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 ![]() |
I was talking about the OP's character, not your infiltrator.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#38
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
I was talking about the OP's character, not your infiltrator. Yes, I know. I was making a comparison to my character. My character doesn't have to worry about those problems because I knew they'd be problems. Note: I've been at work for 19 hours strait now, apologies if I'm not entirely lucid. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#39
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: 2-March 09 From: 67211 Member No.: 16,927 ![]() |
Okay, I think I'm punting the Dracoform idea out the window as it seems to be more of a hindrance for a rigger and will give me 65 more points to work with.
And according to those pediatric growth charts, average for a 100 cm European human is a bit older than 3 & 1/2, with the shorter kids (5th percentile) being 100 cm at 5. So he could look like a short 5 year old. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#40
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#41
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: 2-March 09 From: 67211 Member No.: 16,927 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#42
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#43
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 13-April 09 Member No.: 17,073 ![]() |
While true, the whole point of being a criminal is to be inconspicuous. Having an appearance that stands out is generally not a good thing. Being a "child" does stick out, but being the "really short child" stands out even more. 5th percentile is very uncommon, but not freakishly so. It'd be, like, the smallest kid in your class, maybe even your school, rather than "gets a spot on a daytime talk show for being such an aberration". Enough to attract some more attention than typical, but not dramatically so. Children are hard to stat out accurately for this reason, because such a small difference in numbers can make such a large difference between normal and abnormal. Far more so than adults. Naturally, this makes gnomes (or other non-human beings) trying to pass themselves off as human children harder to do well, too. But yes, 100 cm is a lot easier to work with than 85 or so. That 15 cm makes a huge difference in that height range. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#44
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: 2-March 09 From: 67211 Member No.: 16,927 ![]() |
And with the plastic surgery, he intentionally went for a babyface.
As for getting around in public, he tends to run around in his drone, so no one will see his face except for a few people. All they see is a big black drone flying about 50 feet off of the ground with a trideo feed. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#45
|
|
Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 ![]() |
why be ashamed of being a gnome? why hide it? I'd pimp it out with long pointy curly shoes a red flowing cape and a big pointy hat.
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#46
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: 2-March 09 From: 67211 Member No.: 16,927 ![]() |
Because he's hiding from a Great Dragon?
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#47
|
|
Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#48
|
|
Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 24-January 10 From: Lurking about the Lagrange 5 point. Member No.: 18,070 ![]() |
|
|
|
![]()
Post
#49
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: 2-March 09 From: 67211 Member No.: 16,927 ![]() |
Ok.
He thinks he's hiding from a Great Dragon. I could go with more humanesque, but still kind of gnomely looking. |
|
|
![]()
Post
#50
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 ![]() |
But yes, 100 cm is a lot easier to work with than 85 or so. That 15 cm makes a huge difference in that height range. You still have the problem of weight. With an average weight of 37 kg, this would put him on par with the 5% heaviest 8-year olds, so more than a little bit on the chubby side. He would probably having an easier time passing for an adolescent dwarf rather than a human child, and this would grant him more personnal interaction options. Running around in a freaking flying drone is likely to generate several additionnal complications. First, it's expensive. Unless it's some kind of dirigible (slow, hard to maneuver and BIG - think tanker trailer size, to lift 30 kg of gnome you need 25.000 liters of hydrogen or 27.000 liters of helium) this means powered hovering and this suck up a lot of energy, far more than a ground vehicule of comparable size and performance. Second don't expect to be allowed into most places riding inside it - if it fits though the door... Finally interacting though video is likely to generate a lot of mistrust. Who are you really talking to ? Is someone even inside, or is it just a remote projection ? |
|
|
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 9th May 2025 - 09:10 PM |
Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.