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post Feb 23 2010, 05:24 AM
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nevermind misread post...
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post Feb 23 2010, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 23 2010, 12:04 AM) *
I have a serious problem with this, the idea that some super regenerating virus can't handle a sun burn, but can repair you if you're physically on fire is beyond absurd. Guess its time for custom sun blocking nanopaste disguises, alleviate allergy spells, or better yet, a very highly specialized version of physical invisibility which simply deflects U.V. lights.

As for vampire hunting, get some custom made UV glow sticks, and put the fluid in a couple of dart gun rounds and hit a vampire with one, now he's got U.V. emitting fluid in his blood stream, and is not likely to be able to regenerate for at least the next 8 hours while that glow lasts. And given its carrying the allergen straight to his brain if you add a touch of DMSO to the dart, it should cause massive brain swelling and realistically death as his brain expands and is forced down his spinal column.


Except that the allergy is only Moderate. No physical damage in game. Oh, and keep your "realistically" in reality, thank you.

But yup, UV bullets. Brought to us by Underworld. Just as UV flashlights and Flashpaks are brought to us by Blade and Vampire Hunter D.

Out of curiosity, why do you think a very specialized version of physical invisib is better then alleviate allergy? (Don't forget your motorcycle helmet or sunglasses, if you're going to try and go the sunscreen route. Eyeball burn sucks.)
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post Feb 23 2010, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Feb 23 2010, 05:14 AM) *
Except that the allergy is only Moderate. No physical damage in game. Oh, and keep your "realistically" in reality, thank you.

But yup, UV bullets. Brought to us by Underworld. Just as UV flashlights and Flashpaks are brought to us by Blade and Vampire Hunter D.

Out of curiosity, why do you think a very specialized version of physical invisib is better then alleviate allergy? (Don't forget your motorcycle helmet or sunglasses, if you're going to try and go the sunscreen route. Eyeball burn sucks.)


Nosferatu have the severe version. Their flesh melts in UV light (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 23 2010, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (Starmage21 @ Feb 23 2010, 11:20 AM) *
Nosferatu have the severe version. Their flesh melts in UV light (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I tried to make it so that mutaqua just burst into flame, but I think they talked me down in development. And I think a couple of words might have gotten chopped in development, because I seem to remember making it a little more vague than that. "...{S}eems to be in the ultraviolet band..." was what I remember writing, but it's been a while and I'm not close to my original manuscript.
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post Feb 23 2010, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Feb 23 2010, 02:01 PM) *
I tried to make it so that mutaqua just burst into flame, but I think they talked me down in development. And I think a couple of words might have gotten chopped in development, because I seem to remember making it a little more vague than that. "...[S]eems to be in the ultraviolet band..." was what I remember writing, but it's been a while and I'm not close to my original manuscript.


Thanks Patrick ! Can I tell you that running wild is awesome !

Edit: AWhat happened with the Protean in the 3rd ed ... they didn't pass to the 4th ?
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post Feb 23 2010, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE (Delarn @ Feb 23 2010, 01:21 PM) *
Thanks Patrick ! Can I tell you that running wild is awesome !

I'm inordinately happy that you like it. Even more so that you seem to enjoy my little contribution.
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Edit: AWhat happened with the Protean in the 3rd ed ... they didn't pass to the 4th ?

Haven't got a clue. I know there were quite a few beasties that didn't make it in there, and at one point John was talking about doing a PDF supplement to fill in some holes, but I don't know what became of that.

I've got an idea for a PDF follow-up for the Infected, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do anything with it because I'm starting back to college soon and my life's fixing to be quite eventful in that regard....
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post Feb 24 2010, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Feb 23 2010, 03:14 AM) *
Except that the allergy is only Moderate. No physical damage in game. Oh, and keep your "realistically" in reality, thank you.

But yup, UV bullets. Brought to us by Underworld. Just as UV flashlights and Flashpaks are brought to us by Blade and Vampire Hunter D.

Out of curiosity, why do you think a very specialized version of physical invisib is better then alleviate allergy? (Don't forget your motorcycle helmet or sunglasses, if you're going to try and go the sunscreen route. Eyeball burn sucks.)


Because the spell would completely route the allergen around you because according to some very specific readings of the effects of an allergy on a regenerating creature they can't heal while in its presence even if they are no longer allergic to it. But if the spell diverts or blocks to U.V. completely then you can't actually have someone use that overly stringent reading of the rules to prevent regeneration from occurring.

As far as eyeball burn. some good contacts should fix that.
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post Feb 24 2010, 12:25 AM
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Alleviate allergy is just removin the effect you are still allergic.
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post Feb 24 2010, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (Delarn @ Feb 23 2010, 05:25 PM) *
Alleviate allergy is just removin the effect you are still allergic.

I've heard people argue that means you can't regen while in contact with the allergen. A spell which specifically blocks UV would however mean you are not coming in contact with the allergen, and as such could actually regenerate just fine while in broad daylight.
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post Feb 24 2010, 01:05 AM
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I know I said this earlier, but why even use an alleviate allergy spell? Just does up on Zero, it removes a lot of allergy headache for vamps. Nosferatu will still take damage though....
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post Feb 24 2010, 01:20 AM
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QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Feb 23 2010, 08:49 PM) *
I'm inordinately happy that you like it. Even more so that you seem to enjoy my little contribution.


Just wondering, were you the guy who invented the Temu? I loved them and I was wondering why they have no base price. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)
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post Feb 24 2010, 02:13 AM
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QUOTE (Squinky @ Feb 23 2010, 06:05 PM) *
I know I said this earlier, but why even use an alleviate allergy spell? Just does up on Zero, it removes a lot of allergy headache for vamps. Nosferatu will still take damage though....


Cause unless you actually somehow keep the UV off you, you don't get to regenerate by some readings regardless of how suppressed your allergy is.
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post Feb 24 2010, 02:25 AM
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QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Feb 23 2010, 09:13 PM) *
Cause unless you actually somehow keep the UV off you, you don't get to regenerate by some readings regardless of how suppressed your allergy is.


Point is ... alleviate allergy alleviate only the effect and not the actual allergy. Meaning you still suffer from it but you don't have the drawback.
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post Feb 24 2010, 02:44 AM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 23 2010, 07:20 PM) *
Just wondering, were you the guy who invented the Temu? I loved them and I was wondering why they have no base price. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

Nope, not me. Can't remember offhand who's contribution that was, but I'll go look later and see.
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post Feb 24 2010, 04:44 AM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Feb 23 2010, 07:20 PM) *
Just wondering, were you the guy who invented the Temu? I loved them and I was wondering why they have no base price. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

The temu is either Adam Large or John Dunn's creation; I seem to recall they both co-wrote that chapter, so I'm not sure who gets the credit (or blame, as the case may be) for the critter's actual genesis.
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Well, thank you. I'll try contact them and see if I get more info.
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post Feb 24 2010, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (Delarn @ Feb 23 2010, 09:25 PM) *
Point is ... alleviate allergy alleviate only the effect and not the actual allergy. Meaning you still suffer from it but you don't have the drawback.


Maybe it is just me, but being unable to regenerate sounds like a drawback to me. It also sounds like an effect of the allergy. Since alleviate allergy removes the effects of the allergy, and being unable to regenerate is an effect of the allergy..... 1+1=2?
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QUOTE (Squinky @ Feb 23 2010, 08:05 PM) *
I know I said this earlier, but why even use an alleviate allergy spell? Just does up on Zero, it removes a lot of allergy headache for vamps. Nosferatu will still take damage though....



Aren't vampires immune to drugs and pathogens? Though I agree that alleviate allergies is a great idea.
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Points on each side of the issue:

PRO GENERAL UV:
There is a lot of precedent in literature and movies for UV weapons being effective against vampires. The first that comes to mind is the cool-looking but terribly written Blade series of movies.

PRO SOLAR UV:
The sun is a source of complex, multi-band radiation. It's radiation may be different enough from simple, mechanically produced radiation to be the only kind damaging to vampires. The sun may itself be alive in the fashion of Gaea, providing some form of 'living radiation' that is anathema to the 'undead'.
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QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 24 2010, 09:15 AM) *
Maybe it is just me, but being unable to regenerate sounds like a drawback to me. It also sounds like an effect of the allergy. Since alleviate allergy removes the effects of the allergy, and being unable to regenerate is an effect of the allergy..... 1+1=2?

1+1 = 3 in biology !
Drawback = Dice pool mods. The allergy is still active but you don't suffer the dicepool modifier or the damages.

I think that regeneration has this flaw to it.
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Regeneration
Type: P • Action: Auto • Range: Self • Duration: Always
A critter with Regeneration rapidly heals any damage. At the end
of a Combat Turn, make a Magic + Body Test. Each hit regenerates 1
point of Physical or Stun damage. If a critter has already taken enough
damage to enter into Physical damage overflow, the critter is not considered
dead until it has had a chance to make a Regeneration Test. After
a critter has made a Regeneration Test, if the damage overflow is still
greater than the critter’s Body attribute, then the critter is dead.
Certain types of damage cannot be regenerated from this power.
Damage to the brain or spinal cord (for example, from a called shot
to the head) cannot be healed this way. Likewise, magical damage
from weapon foci, combat spells, critter/adept powers, or other
magic may not be healed through Regeneration. If the critter has
an Allergy, the critter cannot regenerate damage until the allergen’s
presence is removed.


The matter is not if the allergen actually does damage or not. it's a matter of presence or not. Even in alleviate, the allergy is still present so the Regeneration is not working.
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QUOTE (pbangarth @ Feb 24 2010, 01:12 PM) *
Points on each side of the issue:

PRO GENERAL UV:
There is a lot of precedent in literature and movies for UV weapons being effective against vampires. The first that comes to mind is the cool-looking but terribly written Blade series of movies.

PRO SOLAR UV:
The sun is a source of complex, multi-band radiation. It's radiation may be different enough from simple, mechanically produced radiation to be the only kind damaging to vampires. The sun may itself be alive in the fashion of Gaea, providing some form of 'living radiation' that is anathema to the 'undead'.


Vehiculed by the UVs ?
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Are eco-vampires allergic to SUVs?
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QUOTE (Dr.Rockso @ Feb 24 2010, 02:54 PM) *
Are eco-vampires allergic to SUVs?


Yes and they barf bacons when they are in one !
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QUOTE (Patrick Goodman @ Feb 23 2010, 07:49 PM) *
Haven't got a clue. I know there were quite a few beasties that didn't make it in there, and at one point John was talking about doing a PDF supplement to fill in some holes, but I don't know what became of that.

I've got an idea for a PDF follow-up for the Infected, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do anything with it because I'm starting back to college soon and my life's fixing to be quite eventful in that regard....


Do you know who did the juggernaut?? It is sissier than a basic 4 door car.

Sorry pet peeve of mine, the juggernaut went from awesome in 1e to mediocre at best in 2e to a total sissy in 4e. It was hands down my favorite paranormal creature back in the day with the best shadowtalk about it. Now I feel like I can pop it with a heavy pistol as long as I have the right ammo.
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But once you Warform it and invest it with a high force Ant spirit it's lots of fun.
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