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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Wa, USA Member No.: 1,139 ![]() |
nevermind misread post...
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 616 Joined: 30-April 07 From: Edge of the Redmond Barrens, Borderline NAN. Runnin' the border for literal milk runs. Member No.: 11,565 ![]() |
I have a serious problem with this, the idea that some super regenerating virus can't handle a sun burn, but can repair you if you're physically on fire is beyond absurd. Guess its time for custom sun blocking nanopaste disguises, alleviate allergy spells, or better yet, a very highly specialized version of physical invisibility which simply deflects U.V. lights. As for vampire hunting, get some custom made UV glow sticks, and put the fluid in a couple of dart gun rounds and hit a vampire with one, now he's got U.V. emitting fluid in his blood stream, and is not likely to be able to regenerate for at least the next 8 hours while that glow lasts. And given its carrying the allergen straight to his brain if you add a touch of DMSO to the dart, it should cause massive brain swelling and realistically death as his brain expands and is forced down his spinal column. Except that the allergy is only Moderate. No physical damage in game. Oh, and keep your "realistically" in reality, thank you. But yup, UV bullets. Brought to us by Underworld. Just as UV flashlights and Flashpaks are brought to us by Blade and Vampire Hunter D. Out of curiosity, why do you think a very specialized version of physical invisib is better then alleviate allergy? (Don't forget your motorcycle helmet or sunglasses, if you're going to try and go the sunscreen route. Eyeball burn sucks.) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 13-April 07 From: Houston, Texas Member No.: 11,448 ![]() |
Except that the allergy is only Moderate. No physical damage in game. Oh, and keep your "realistically" in reality, thank you. But yup, UV bullets. Brought to us by Underworld. Just as UV flashlights and Flashpaks are brought to us by Blade and Vampire Hunter D. Out of curiosity, why do you think a very specialized version of physical invisib is better then alleviate allergy? (Don't forget your motorcycle helmet or sunglasses, if you're going to try and go the sunscreen route. Eyeball burn sucks.) Nosferatu have the severe version. Their flesh melts in UV light (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
Nosferatu have the severe version. Their flesh melts in UV light (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I tried to make it so that mutaqua just burst into flame, but I think they talked me down in development. And I think a couple of words might have gotten chopped in development, because I seem to remember making it a little more vague than that. "...{S}eems to be in the ultraviolet band..." was what I remember writing, but it's been a while and I'm not close to my original manuscript. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 628 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Montreal, Quebec Member No.: 17,963 ![]() |
I tried to make it so that mutaqua just burst into flame, but I think they talked me down in development. And I think a couple of words might have gotten chopped in development, because I seem to remember making it a little more vague than that. "...[S]eems to be in the ultraviolet band..." was what I remember writing, but it's been a while and I'm not close to my original manuscript. Thanks Patrick ! Can I tell you that running wild is awesome ! Edit: AWhat happened with the Protean in the 3rd ed ... they didn't pass to the 4th ? |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
Thanks Patrick ! Can I tell you that running wild is awesome ! I'm inordinately happy that you like it. Even more so that you seem to enjoy my little contribution. QUOTE Edit: AWhat happened with the Protean in the 3rd ed ... they didn't pass to the 4th ? Haven't got a clue. I know there were quite a few beasties that didn't make it in there, and at one point John was talking about doing a PDF supplement to fill in some holes, but I don't know what became of that. I've got an idea for a PDF follow-up for the Infected, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do anything with it because I'm starting back to college soon and my life's fixing to be quite eventful in that regard.... |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,444 Joined: 18-April 08 Member No.: 15,912 ![]() |
Except that the allergy is only Moderate. No physical damage in game. Oh, and keep your "realistically" in reality, thank you. But yup, UV bullets. Brought to us by Underworld. Just as UV flashlights and Flashpaks are brought to us by Blade and Vampire Hunter D. Out of curiosity, why do you think a very specialized version of physical invisib is better then alleviate allergy? (Don't forget your motorcycle helmet or sunglasses, if you're going to try and go the sunscreen route. Eyeball burn sucks.) Because the spell would completely route the allergen around you because according to some very specific readings of the effects of an allergy on a regenerating creature they can't heal while in its presence even if they are no longer allergic to it. But if the spell diverts or blocks to U.V. completely then you can't actually have someone use that overly stringent reading of the rules to prevent regeneration from occurring. As far as eyeball burn. some good contacts should fix that. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 628 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Montreal, Quebec Member No.: 17,963 ![]() |
Alleviate allergy is just removin the effect you are still allergic.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,444 Joined: 18-April 08 Member No.: 15,912 ![]() |
Alleviate allergy is just removin the effect you are still allergic. I've heard people argue that means you can't regen while in contact with the allergen. A spell which specifically blocks UV would however mean you are not coming in contact with the allergen, and as such could actually regenerate just fine while in broad daylight. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 ![]() |
I know I said this earlier, but why even use an alleviate allergy spell? Just does up on Zero, it removes a lot of allergy headache for vamps. Nosferatu will still take damage though....
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 ![]() |
I'm inordinately happy that you like it. Even more so that you seem to enjoy my little contribution. Just wondering, were you the guy who invented the Temu? I loved them and I was wondering why they have no base price. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif) |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,444 Joined: 18-April 08 Member No.: 15,912 ![]() |
I know I said this earlier, but why even use an alleviate allergy spell? Just does up on Zero, it removes a lot of allergy headache for vamps. Nosferatu will still take damage though.... Cause unless you actually somehow keep the UV off you, you don't get to regenerate by some readings regardless of how suppressed your allergy is. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 628 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Montreal, Quebec Member No.: 17,963 ![]() |
Cause unless you actually somehow keep the UV off you, you don't get to regenerate by some readings regardless of how suppressed your allergy is. Point is ... alleviate allergy alleviate only the effect and not the actual allergy. Meaning you still suffer from it but you don't have the drawback. |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
Just wondering, were you the guy who invented the Temu? I loved them and I was wondering why they have no base price. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif) Nope, not me. Can't remember offhand who's contribution that was, but I'll go look later and see. |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
Just wondering, were you the guy who invented the Temu? I loved them and I was wondering why they have no base price. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif) The temu is either Adam Large or John Dunn's creation; I seem to recall they both co-wrote that chapter, so I'm not sure who gets the credit (or blame, as the case may be) for the critter's actual genesis. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 ![]() |
Well, thank you. I'll try contact them and see if I get more info.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 ![]() |
Point is ... alleviate allergy alleviate only the effect and not the actual allergy. Meaning you still suffer from it but you don't have the drawback. Maybe it is just me, but being unable to regenerate sounds like a drawback to me. It also sounds like an effect of the allergy. Since alleviate allergy removes the effects of the allergy, and being unable to regenerate is an effect of the allergy..... 1+1=2? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 583 Joined: 6-November 09 From: MTL Member No.: 17,849 ![]() |
I know I said this earlier, but why even use an alleviate allergy spell? Just does up on Zero, it removes a lot of allergy headache for vamps. Nosferatu will still take damage though.... Aren't vampires immune to drugs and pathogens? Though I agree that alleviate allergies is a great idea. |
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Old Man of the North ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,188 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 ![]() |
Points on each side of the issue:
PRO GENERAL UV: There is a lot of precedent in literature and movies for UV weapons being effective against vampires. The first that comes to mind is the cool-looking but terribly written Blade series of movies. PRO SOLAR UV: The sun is a source of complex, multi-band radiation. It's radiation may be different enough from simple, mechanically produced radiation to be the only kind damaging to vampires. The sun may itself be alive in the fashion of Gaea, providing some form of 'living radiation' that is anathema to the 'undead'. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 628 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Montreal, Quebec Member No.: 17,963 ![]() |
Maybe it is just me, but being unable to regenerate sounds like a drawback to me. It also sounds like an effect of the allergy. Since alleviate allergy removes the effects of the allergy, and being unable to regenerate is an effect of the allergy..... 1+1=2? 1+1 = 3 in biology ! Drawback = Dice pool mods. The allergy is still active but you don't suffer the dicepool modifier or the damages. I think that regeneration has this flaw to it. From SR4a QUOTE Regeneration Type: P • Action: Auto • Range: Self • Duration: Always A critter with Regeneration rapidly heals any damage. At the end of a Combat Turn, make a Magic + Body Test. Each hit regenerates 1 point of Physical or Stun damage. If a critter has already taken enough damage to enter into Physical damage overflow, the critter is not considered dead until it has had a chance to make a Regeneration Test. After a critter has made a Regeneration Test, if the damage overflow is still greater than the critter’s Body attribute, then the critter is dead. Certain types of damage cannot be regenerated from this power. Damage to the brain or spinal cord (for example, from a called shot to the head) cannot be healed this way. Likewise, magical damage from weapon foci, combat spells, critter/adept powers, or other magic may not be healed through Regeneration. If the critter has an Allergy, the critter cannot regenerate damage until the allergen’s presence is removed. The matter is not if the allergen actually does damage or not. it's a matter of presence or not. Even in alleviate, the allergy is still present so the Regeneration is not working. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 628 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Montreal, Quebec Member No.: 17,963 ![]() |
Points on each side of the issue: PRO GENERAL UV: There is a lot of precedent in literature and movies for UV weapons being effective against vampires. The first that comes to mind is the cool-looking but terribly written Blade series of movies. PRO SOLAR UV: The sun is a source of complex, multi-band radiation. It's radiation may be different enough from simple, mechanically produced radiation to be the only kind damaging to vampires. The sun may itself be alive in the fashion of Gaea, providing some form of 'living radiation' that is anathema to the 'undead'. Vehiculed by the UVs ? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 583 Joined: 6-November 09 From: MTL Member No.: 17,849 ![]() |
Are eco-vampires allergic to SUVs?
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 628 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Montreal, Quebec Member No.: 17,963 ![]() |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 ![]() |
Haven't got a clue. I know there were quite a few beasties that didn't make it in there, and at one point John was talking about doing a PDF supplement to fill in some holes, but I don't know what became of that. I've got an idea for a PDF follow-up for the Infected, but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do anything with it because I'm starting back to college soon and my life's fixing to be quite eventful in that regard.... Do you know who did the juggernaut?? It is sissier than a basic 4 door car. Sorry pet peeve of mine, the juggernaut went from awesome in 1e to mediocre at best in 2e to a total sissy in 4e. It was hands down my favorite paranormal creature back in the day with the best shadowtalk about it. Now I feel like I can pop it with a heavy pistol as long as I have the right ammo. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 ![]() |
But once you Warform it and invest it with a high force Ant spirit it's lots of fun.
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