I also rather explicitly stated I had house ruled the quality to be a bit more useful and be consistent with the fluff.

I do not argue over an interpretation except to clarify Rules as Written.

So would you say that type O system should not apply to cultured bioware, by RAW interpretation, just to be clear? If you want to house rule type O system applying to cultured bioware, be my guest, it is a 30 point quality after all. I just want to make sure my interpretation of the rules as written is correct.

Rules as Written, the benefit of Type-O System applies to Basic Bioware of any grade.

I've actually found that you can cram a better setup of bio if you opt out of the boosters, especially if you have Type O. Muscle Aug and Toner come to mind, totalling to .8 essence if you go R4 for both. That leaves .2 essence worth of more bio, or go for .4 worth of cyber.

Yeah, but specifically for adepts the main reason you'd want cyber is to get extra IPs, because the only way adepts can do that with powers is rather incredibly inefficient (2.5 points of magic for the power or 1 point of magic for the cyber, although along with 32 BP worth of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) ). Sure an adept can get shit tons of strength and agility for the same essence cost as 2 extra IPs, but if you're only attacking once per Combat Turn you're still less effective than the guy who can act 3 times as much as you can.

Also, @Muspellsheimr, you're definition of basic bioware excluded cultured bioware, right? So we do agree that cultured bioware such as synapse boosters does not get a reduced essence benefit from the type O system quality by RAW?

Correct, "Basic Bioware" does not include synaptic accelerators. That's "Cultured Bioware," an entirely different class of bioware, therefore Type-O system doesn't work.

You know guys, if you're paying for something that is worth DOUBLE the point cost of being a mage, then why not allow it to apply to ALL bioware? It's not really game breaking to allow a Street Sam to do SOMETHING well. Also, another thing to consider... Being a Type O body means that if anyone finds out, then you're screwed! It's like the quality is worth 40 BP (10 BP flaw of Dark Secret), but of this small, but potentially horrible disadvantage.

Now, that is my problem with all of these Qualities that cost 30 BP: you don't get nearly as much as a mage who only pays half to be a mage. For 15 BP you get spells, spirits, and astral projection. Sure you can't get as much 'ware, but honestly, does that really matter all THAT much?

I have no problems with a GM houseruling that Type O system applies to all bioware, indeed this doesn't seem at all unbalancing and certainly makes the 30BP spent on the quality seem more worthwhile. I'm simply arguing that that is not what the quality gives by RAW and that to allow that use is indeed a houserule.

Type O System, in my game, has a cost of 25 BP and applies to all bioware. It is now worth its cost, without becoming a "must have".


@KCKitsune, magicians do not pay 15 BP for spells and spirits. They pay 15 BP for the option of spending a significant amount of additional resources on spells and spirits.

Samurai are just fine without the quality, magic is not overpowered (I will admit some specific aspects of it are, but the same can be applied to nearly any other area of the game as well). The quality was simply to costly for to little effect. If it's going to be there, it needs to be balanced.

The ”danger” of having a Type O system is a bit hyped I think.

There is no risk of the person being killed and harvested unless by the most lowest and most stupid of organ leggers.

The only thing *I* would take from a Type-O character is a larger blood sample, enough to clone with.

Hell, the character could probably walk up to DocWagon and get a contract with them for a monthly blood sample for their organ cloning banks.

The Type O is a positive quality and should be used as such and not have the character going paranoid about it.

Throw in a free Standard DocWagon Contract for free as he is a useful customer for ALL medical centers in Seattle.

He could even have a “day job” representing the hours he needs to spend to give blood every week to several medical centers around town in exchange for a discount on medical service.

I wouldn't think that a Type-O runner would have to worry about random people jumping him for his liver, but it does mean that all the bioware in their body is as good as it would be off the shelf, so if you do off the Type O, you could sell all his implants as new rather than used. Not that even that is a significant enough draw to get some bottom of the barrel pathetic organlegger to try and hunt down a dyed in the blood killer just for parts.

You need to find the Ware first, though . . It counts as Delta in ALL REGARDS. And especially with cultivated delta if allowed, it is impossible to tell natural from engineered flesh.

OK, for that 30 points that the Sammy pays for his Type O +Quality, the mage get the Magician +Quality, Magic 2, one spell, & a specialization in one skill (or 10,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) ).

If you go with Mystic Adept you get Mystic Adept +Quality AND Magic 3... for those same 30 pts.

Now do you see what I mean?

That's what I've done in the game I'm running. Type O System lets you get ANY bioware (basic or cultured) at standard grade and treat it as though it were Delta. I don't give any discounts for having a higher grade implanted if you have Type O System though you do get the rest of the benefits of a higher grade 'ware.

I'd consider it a must have if it affects everything at that price, tbh. I'd just play a delta mystic adept or adept face every session if I were feeling completely shameless. The ability to relatively cheaply acquire all forms of attribute bonuses is pretty powerful.