 Combat Shotguns in Shadowrun |
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 Apr 23 2010, 03:17 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 211 Joined: 25-March 10 From: Los Angles(Near Lax) Member No.: 18,360  |
QUOTE (Mäx @ Apr 23 2010, 02:04 PM)  Actually he only gets 17 dice to defend, fletsette round go against impact armor, but chameleon suit is a pretty light armor to have for someone with body 5 when you could easily have 10/10 armor or more if using ware, my Sasha(body 5 dryad) for example has 12/12 armor so she would get 25 dice to soak that damage so she takes on avarage 1 point of stun damage and if the attacker gets one more or she one less hit her plateted factories drops thaat 2 damage to 1 too. So a narrow burst might be a better idea then wide (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I think the guy means the AA-16. The AA-12 is a current military autoshotgun |
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Apr 23 2010, 05:53 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Triggvi @ Apr 23 2010, 05:17 PM) I think the guy means the AA-16. The AA-12 is a current military autoshotgun How does that have anythink to do with my post or did you quote wronk post? |
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Apr 23 2010, 06:52 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
And some how reducing the gauge to 16 from 12 makes it a better gun... The true AA-16 would be hyper-velocity reducing the caliber to increase rate of fire.
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Apr 23 2010, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE (Dumori @ Apr 23 2010, 01:52 PM) And some how reducing the gauge to 16 from 12 makes it a better gun... The true AA-16 would be hyper-velocity reducing the caliber to increase rate of fire. n/m misread post |
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Apr 23 2010, 08:06 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (Dumori @ Apr 23 2010, 02:52 PM) And some how reducing the gauge to 16 from 12 makes it a better gun... The true AA-16 would be hyper-velocity reducing the caliber to increase rate of fire. Yeah, I've brought that up a couple times before. The SR writer that came up with the AA-16 clearly had no idea what the "12" in AA-12 stands for. -karma |
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Apr 23 2010, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (Udoshi @ Apr 22 2010, 07:25 PM) Let's take an AA-12(which has a gasvent2), put an external smartlink and an auto-adjusting weight modification on it, for 6 total points of RC while in FA mode, and see what a long, wide narrow burst on wide choke does. Which book is that auto-adjusting weight modification from? I only know the counterweight from Arsenal. |
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Apr 23 2010, 08:31 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
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Apr 23 2010, 08:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 124 Joined: 15-April 10 From: AGS Member No.: 18,455 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 23 2010, 10:31 PM) Arsenal, p153. Yes, but it does not have its own entry it's under the same entry as the underbarrel weight itself ... bit hard to find that way... |
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Apr 23 2010, 09:06 PM
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Someone make an AA-2 mockup so we can all cry. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Apr 23 2010, 09:36 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
AA-2? Whats the point?
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Apr 23 2010, 09:44 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It's a joke, a 2 gauge shotgun would have a 1.325 inch diameter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun
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Apr 23 2010, 10:51 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
These sound like a REAL Troll-Sized Shot-Gun.
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Apr 23 2010, 11:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 490 Joined: 29-August 06 From: Texas Member No.: 9,245 |
so what would you rule those grenade rounds as, regular grenade launcher rounds or something with a bit less punch/ dispersion.
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Apr 23 2010, 11:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 211 Joined: 25-March 10 From: Los Angles(Near Lax) Member No.: 18,360 |
QUOTE (Kronk2 @ Apr 23 2010, 11:42 PM) so what would you rule those grenade rounds as, regular grenade launcher rounds or something with a bit less punch/ dispersion. The AA-12 which is the current Auto shotgun, already has grenade rounds that can be fired from it. Firing a grenades round from a auto shotgun is a reality already. |
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Apr 23 2010, 11:54 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Apr 23 2010, 02:06 PM) Yeah, I've brought that up a couple times before. The SR writer that came up with the AA-16 clearly had no idea what the "12" in AA-12 stands for. -karma Why is it that everyone who reads a Model (like the AA-16) assumes that it is the 'gauge" of the shotgun? That must mean that the Remington 870 us a monster of a gun... come on guys, really? Maybe the developer just liked the sound of the model he gave it... AA-16 sounds imtimidating, at least to him... Sorry... This just peeves me a bit... Keep the Faith |
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Apr 23 2010, 11:56 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Harbin @ Apr 23 2010, 03:06 PM) Someone make an AA-2 mockup so we can all cry. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Actually, a 2-Bore already exists, though it is a custom gun, and is not in the realm of cheap... If you have to ask the price, you cannot afford it... The slug weighs in at 3500 grains, and teh round is just over an inch in Diameter and 4 inches long... it is a hell of a round... Just as a point of interest, the rifle weighs in at about 26 pounds... Keep the Faith |
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Apr 24 2010, 12:09 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Um… but it's obviously based on the AA-12, which *is* 12-gauge? Seems kind of obvious. No, there's no reason to think the AA-16 is 16-gauge, but that's why it's a little joke.
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Apr 24 2010, 12:36 AM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
The same splays with the AK numbers the lateist AK is what the ak-108 but SR is stuck on the 97. And thats excluding the million and one AK derivatives.
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Apr 24 2010, 05:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 490 Joined: 29-August 06 From: Texas Member No.: 9,245 |
QUOTE (Triggvi @ Apr 23 2010, 06:50 PM) The AA-12 which is the current Auto shotgun, already has grenade rounds that can be fired from it. Firing a grenades round from a auto shotgun is a reality already. I watched the reference vid, I was asking what the stat line for that in game would be. |
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Apr 24 2010, 07:56 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
QUOTE (Triggvi @ Apr 22 2010, 11:51 AM) SMG are not very good for opening locked doors. A shotgun is very good at opening locked doors with shock lock rounds. There are advantages to both. Swat teams use both You haven't actually read the destroying barriers rules, have you? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/upsidedown.gif) |
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Apr 24 2010, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 23 2010, 09:31 PM) Thanks. I guess I'm going blind in old age. |
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Apr 24 2010, 08:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 211 Joined: 25-March 10 From: Los Angles(Near Lax) Member No.: 18,360 |
QUOTE (Kronk2 @ Apr 24 2010, 05:32 AM) I watched the reference vid, I was asking what the stat line for that in game would be. If you could actually use mini-grenades with it. It would be the most lethal gun in the game bar none. Burst or 3 to 6 grenades going down range. Destroying people in mass. |
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Apr 24 2010, 08:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 211 Joined: 25-March 10 From: Los Angles(Near Lax) Member No.: 18,360 |
QUOTE (Kronk2 @ Apr 24 2010, 05:32 AM) I watched the reference vid, I was asking what the stat line for that in game would be. If you could actually use mini-grenades with it. It would be the most lethal gun in the game bar none. Burst or 3 to 6 grenades going down range. Destroying people in mass. |
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Apr 24 2010, 03:28 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
In my game, we've used 'micro-grenades', because mini-grenades are still too big. I forget the stats off the top of my head.
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Apr 24 2010, 03:35 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
Part of me says frag 12 ammo would be like ex-ex on wide choke
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