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post Jun 10 2010, 04:41 AM
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If they just took it 24 miles north of NYC to the Indian Point Energy Center, they could cause a meltdown which would render the entire Northeastern US uninhabitable for 500 years.

You know, since we're talking about terrible ideas which would ruin games and all...
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post Jun 10 2010, 12:52 PM
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Ruin games? Dude, you could introduce mutants into the setting, Deadlands: Hell On Earth meets Shadowrun! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
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post Jun 10 2010, 01:01 PM
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Having the means to destroy a city so easily achievable raises the question why it's not done all the time (especailly by toxics). Bringing up various deus-ex-machina counter measures often opens a bigger can of worms, making players ask why other things work with such measures in place.
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post Jun 10 2010, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE
the topic is what it is ...

before you start freaking out

I assure you that the ability is out there to level a whole city or at least a Sizable portion of one ...

and yes it is available to land in a players hand

so my question is .... how would one handle this .... aside from the Obvious Noterity and public awareness gain of 10+ for the simple act ....the Mana Ebbs / Voids extending from the epicenter due to the massive and sudden loss of Life as well as character retirement becoming mandatory

The hunted quality for maximum BP, dossier on file and 10+1d0 megacorporate enemies built by the group connection rules are appropriate. Not to him but to the other PC too (guilty by association).

The site as such would have a warp-level background count, but unless there is a nuke involved, I see no voids happening.

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Ruin games? Dude, you could introduce mutants into the setting, Deadlands: Hell On Earth meets Shadowrun!

Yeah, and the UCAS would get their own SOX. Fun!

Personally, I'd say a number of sustained large-scale detection spells anchored in critical places, divination, and every elemental in corp service available being thrown on the PC attempting this and using Edge to go before him would suffice to make this end badly and with little destroyed city. That, or let them do it and kill them for it. With a fair Offplay warning about the fate of the 9/11 attackers of course, so they know what they're getting into.
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post Jun 10 2010, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Jun 10 2010, 03:16 PM) *
Yeah, and the UCAS would get their own SOX. Fun!


Plus shedims. Zombie-hunting in the ruins of New York, while mutants shoot you with radiation spells! That would make for a cheesy game par excellence! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Jun 10 2010, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE (Grinder @ Jun 10 2010, 02:20 PM) *
Plus shedims. Zombie-hunting in the ruins of New York, while mutants shoot you with radiation spells! That would make for a cheesy game par excellence! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)



Shadowrun meets Fallout

which I could be pursaded to play
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post Jun 10 2010, 01:24 PM
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MAGIC RADIOACTIVE MUTANT ZOMBIES in the ruins of New York. Awesome. I MUST use this, at the very least as a Sim.

Reminds me that I always wanted to make soemthing like a campaign out of Surf Nazis Must Die. Or Erotic Nights Of The Living Dead (which I also have to find and watch before, but that title had me fall off my chair laughing).
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post Jun 10 2010, 01:31 PM
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Errrr why was this topic stealth moved? The context was originally related to missions and was more or less asked and answered in a pass. If the OP had wanted a general discussion of consequences for a given cities destruction they sure could have asked it here.
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post Jun 10 2010, 01:55 PM
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My parents live just north of New York city. I was raised there. I suppose it has not occured to any of you that this might be a deeply destrubing topic, especially after 9/11.
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post Jun 10 2010, 01:59 PM
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With due respect DLN: As opposed to any of a thousand horrible things that have happened in the Shadowrun time line or the destruction that has already occurred in NYC? Once agian in the main forum this thread is out of context by it's placement.
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post Jun 10 2010, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jun 10 2010, 03:31 PM) *
Errrr why was this topic stealth moved? The context was originally related to missions and was more or less asked and answered in a pass. If the OP had wanted a general discussion of consequences for a given cities destruction they sure could have asked it here.


Isn't the topic interesting for non-Missions-players/GMs too?
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post Jun 10 2010, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja @ Jun 10 2010, 01:55 PM) *
My parents live just north of New York city. I was raised there. I suppose it has not occured to any of you that this might be a deeply destrubing topic, especially after 9/11.


Sigh

And I grew up in NYC.
It's not any more disturbing than Escape from NY, or I am Legend.
Or 2012 where NYC is literally drowned in a tidal wave so large it dwarfs the Empire State Building.
or in Independence Day when Aliens blow up large chunks of NYC.

This is a world setting where VITAS occured. VITAS makes the black plague looks all cuddly.
If after almost 10 years, you find the idea of something bad happening to NYC in a Fictional Role-playing game as 'disturbing' perhaps you need to get some help with your PTSD.

You're probably one of those people who thought that having images of the Twin Towers in Spiderman 2 was deeply insulting, and that it was a good thing that they edited them out.

Did you ever go up the Twin Towers? Because I did. Often. Not as often as someone who worked there. But probably a dozen times in my life. I took my HS Prom date to the restaurant on top. I still think about that view. So get off your high horse. This is a /roleplaying game/ as gm's and players we have all sorts of crazy shit in our games.
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post Jun 10 2010, 02:08 PM
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The context of the topic, per the authors clarification was how to handle it within the context of the missions campaign a seperate topic could be started on how to handle the rediculous quake power in SR, but that should in my opinion be a separate topic.
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post Jun 10 2010, 02:46 PM
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I don't know if this will help any but food for thought: IIRC part of Vancouver Regional, SSC (BC, Canada) - Richmond was destroyed by an earthquake, one that was rumored to be magical because it didn't seem to harm the surrounding region as much. That was in a SR novel suggested to me that the name of is escaping me at the moment. The wiki page makes note of it as well but not the magic rumor (2059 - December 3, An earthquake levels Richmond on the outskirts of Vancouver.)

Could this have been caused by this power? Whatever may have happened to whoever caused that one?
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post Jun 10 2010, 02:47 PM
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My concern is it is about someone TRYING to destroy the city not a natrual disaster. Like the song says:
I've seen the lights go out on Broadway
I watched the mighty skyline fall...
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post Jun 10 2010, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja @ Jun 10 2010, 10:47 AM) *
My concern is it is about someone TRYING to destroy the city not a natrual disaster. Like the song says:
I've seen the lights go out on Broadway
I watched the mighty skyline fall...

This is also a game where players routinely TRY to murder and kill and steal and do generally awful things for money. I think it goes without saying that no one is advocating actual mass destruction on any scale. I don't think it is at all fair to pull the I'm offended and you should all be more sensitive card. Not when we are talking in a game context.
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post Jun 10 2010, 03:25 PM
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I also object to you refering to it as 'playing the card.' You apparently think it is 'unfair' when someone says they are offended by such ideas? I am expressing a very real concern and sentiment.
Sure it is a game where people regularly do illegal things but this whole thread is based on 'how do I commit mass murder." Would you say the same thing as ok if someone set up a thread asking how to set up gas chambers and cremetoriums for a final solution? I would hope there was a stop line but apparently there is not.
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post Jun 10 2010, 03:53 PM
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There is a stop line.
But you're way over reacting.

And if the question was:
I'm thinking of having a plot line where a Polis Club has taken over some area and is trying to come up with ways of exterminating anyone who isn't human. That would be a valid topic of discussion. Both what would be feasible in 2072, and what the powers that be reactions might be.

I would also find the topic of discussing the effects of a Dirty Bomb Explosion in London, or LA, or NYC.

If you're really offended, perhaps you need to examine why.

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Actually, it is more about "how to handle a player perfectly capable of mass murder and very willing to commit it next weekend", as I understood it.
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post Jun 10 2010, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja @ Jun 10 2010, 09:25 AM) *
I also object to you refering to it as 'playing the card.' You apparently think it is 'unfair' when someone says they are offended by such ideas? I am expressing a very real concern and sentiment.
Sure it is a game where people regularly do illegal things but this whole thread is based on 'how do I commit mass murder." Would you say the same thing as ok if someone set up a thread asking how to set up gas chambers and cremetoriums for a final solution? I would hope there was a stop line but apparently there is not.



Honestly, if you are on meds you should take them. If you are not on meds perhaps you should look into getting some. No one asked ways to destroy the city someone asked a question about what to do in the event players wanted to use the quake power in a missions module and what possible repercussions or actions a GM could take in the mission legal game. What you are advocating, or at least getting offended by the lack of, if thought police. For a topic you do not fully understand. You have the ability to be offended we have the ability to be suprised by how easily you are offended, especially in the context of the game world.
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post Jun 10 2010, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja @ Jun 10 2010, 11:25 AM) *
I also object to you refering to it as 'playing the card.' You apparently think it is 'unfair' when someone says they are offended by such ideas? I am expressing a very real concern and sentiment.
Sure it is a game where people regularly do illegal things but this whole thread is based on 'how do I commit mass murder." Would you say the same thing as ok if someone set up a thread asking how to set up gas chambers and cremetoriums for a final solution? I would hope there was a stop line but apparently there is not.

I'll start by apologizing for the playing the card statement. Looking back I can see that it could be offensive and I should have been less blunt. I did not mean to offend nor did intend to make slight of your feelings. I'll try to clarify what I meant. Terrible things happen all the time in the scope of this game and as the game's unofficial 'official' forum they are bound to be discussed here,sometimes in great detail. This being science fiction, parallels with real life are inevitable. But I think you misunderstand the intent of the thread. This is not a "how to commit mass murder" thread. This game being what it is, that is already known. Same as "how to murder someone". The game, in its very rulebook, discusses this at length. I think the intent was how to handle this or if it is even feasible. If you are sensitive about a certain topic, I'd suggest you do not read it. With a thread titled Destruction of New York, I think you knew what you were getting in to to a certain extent. But the way you worded your post it sounded like you were basically saying "I can't believe how insensitive you pricks are being". Maybe not the way you intended it, but that's the way I interpreted it.
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I'm happy accept your graciously worded apology. I know it is a game setting where the players are criminals. We have had games in NYC that have included violence but the idea of someone planning city wide destruction, not stopping a villain from doing it but being the actor is unpleasant and unnerving. I am serious about having seen the sky line fall. I think for most New Yorkers the idea of someone planning such mass murder, even in a game setting is unnerving and seems to be making light of 9/11. Hunting down such a person, would be a wonderful game. I'm sure outside of the New York area it is not as traumatic.

I hate to play the 'nazi' card, and here I'll accept that term, which is over blown, but I would liken it, as I did, to maybe a Jewish gamer reading about someone asking how to set up death camps and ethnic clensing. again, thank you for your apology and thoughtful words over our disagreement.
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I saw the skyline fall too.
I still think you're being way over reactive.
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"Some see planes and wonder 'Where will I go?'
Elsewhere, some see planes, then they're shattered into stars."

I'd like to raise another point about Quake.
Instant Tsunamis on demand.

Gotta say that this power is asinine.
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If they have not bound the spirit yet have it use edge to resist them. Force 8 16 dice+another 8 edge dice all of which explodes, probably 10 successes on average or 30 drain. I'd like to see them soak that. Also even at force 8 the great form spirit is probably getting 5 hits on the test so I don't think that is in the mass destruction column especially since in NY2.0 after the first quake it is probably built fairly well. So if I were to run it I'd likely have a handful of building collapse due to shoddy and corrupt building materials practices but otherwise have the city whole and pissed off.
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