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post Jun 10 2010, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE (otakusensei @ Jun 10 2010, 09:48 AM) *
I find them to be a happy little diversion and an element of humanity in a gritty setting.

I dunno, I predict a tragic ending to the pregnancy thing. A bit disconcerting that she's projecting PAINLOSSRIPBRAIN and NOSAVEMYBABYNOSAVEMYBABY into the matrix without much control.
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post Jun 10 2010, 02:47 PM
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If you want pain, remember that elven pregnancies last something like 50 weeks - she's preggers for a year.
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post Jun 10 2010, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (otakusensei @ Jun 10 2010, 08:48 AM) *
I find them to be a happy little diversion and an element of humanity in a gritty setting.


I agree whole-heartedly. Frankly, aside from Game, set match, the total word count of their recent hijinks totals less than half a page across all the current books. That's really not a lot of material, and as far as I'm concerned completely appropriate material at that.

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post Jun 10 2010, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE (Dr.Rockso @ Jun 8 2010, 04:18 PM) *
As far as I know Netcat is worried as well. No one seems to know. Will likely get resolved in an upcoming book.


Personally, I hope its resolution is as follows (what follows is pure speculation): we get a dead letter document from Puck outlining what happened to Pax and her group. It might be too much to ask, but I'd like to see it in a Threats-type book, akin to the first Threats book. Something that takes the ideas of magical threats or the dissonance and puts a group and a face to a concept.

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post Jun 10 2010, 11:12 PM
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heh, i wonder if the message will be that pax is very much alive, and living a queens life in geneva.
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post Jun 10 2010, 11:20 PM
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Yes, she must be. As a Techno, she is just too much made of win to be stoped in any way. I wonder why noone drops a shitload of scrambler RFID onto Geneva and goes in exterminating everyone with a headache with extreme prejudice.
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post Jun 11 2010, 04:27 AM
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QUOTE (Abstruse @ Jun 9 2010, 03:04 PM) *
I also like being able to let a little Lovecraftian nightmare slip through from time to time to harass my players.

Ohhh... Eldritch... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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Also, props for the Dresden reference.

I assume you're refering to the Dresden Files? I've never actually read those books, so, I'm not sure what reference you're refering to... But, I'll take the props anyway and just figure I was a genius while I wasn't looking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jun 11 2010, 04:48 AM
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QUOTE (Tachi @ Jun 10 2010, 10:27 PM) *
I assume you're refering to the Dresden Files? I've never actually read those books, so, I'm not sure what reference you're refering to... But, I'll take the props anyway and just figure I was a genius while I wasn't looking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I thought 'Sword of Damocles' was Doom of Damocles which is a final probation of a wizard in the Dresden universe. I was also drunk when I mixed it up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

And if you're a Shadowrun fan, check out the Dresden novels. Book 1 is good, Book 2 is better, Book 3 will blow your mind. One of the cover quotes on the newest book describes them as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer starring Phillip Marlowe"...best example ever.
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post Jun 11 2010, 05:05 AM
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QUOTE (Abstruse @ Jun 10 2010, 10:48 PM) *
I thought 'Sword of Damocles' was Doom of Damocles which is a final probation of a wizard in the Dresden universe. I was also drunk when I mixed it up

Check out my Sig. After the fifth -or so- time I posted here for six hours straight completely shitfaced, I decided I'd beter start warning people. Now, when the regulars see the first word underlined, they usually tune me out... Which amuses me to no end and encourages me to be absurd. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) (Not drunk yet tonight, but working on it, 151 is my friend.)

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And if you're a Shadowrun fan, check out the Dresden novels. Book 1 is good, Book 2 is better, Book 3 will blow your mind. One of the cover quotes on the newest book describes them as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer starring Phillip Marlowe"...best example ever.

I'm not a fan of Buffy, but I just may do that. Cheers.
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post Jun 11 2010, 05:28 AM
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QUOTE (Tachi @ Jun 10 2010, 11:05 PM) *
Check out my Sig. After the fifth -or so- time I posted here for six hours straight completely shitfaced, I decided I'd beter start warning people. Now, when the regulars see the first word underlined, they usually tune me out... Which amuses me to no end and encourages me to be absurd. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) (Not drunk yet tonight, but working on it, 151 is my friend.)

I'm not a fan of Buffy, but I just may do that. Cheers.

The "Buffy" reference is more because it's contemporary fantasy. If you like Shadowrun, you'll like the Dresden books.

And honestly, I tend to be more coherent in writing when I'm on my second vodka...
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post Jun 11 2010, 07:36 AM
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I will also suggest the dresden stuff for additional reading material.


My mage once described himself to a NaN Shaman as being from the Dresden school of Boom




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post Jun 11 2010, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE (Abstruse @ Jun 8 2010, 07:54 PM) *
That was one of my favorite things from the Tir Tairnegire book where someone mentions the Passions and Laughing Man basically starts ROFLing over the fact that the guy, pretty much repeating something weird he overheard randomly, signed his own death warrant for speaking about it in public.

-- Ugh that was a perfect example of Harlequin playing the "HUR HUR SEKRETZ" game.

Tir Tairngire, p. 69 (one of the rare references to Passions in Shadowrun)
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>>>>>[These shamans do not follow animal forms, or even symbolic personifications. They follow form. They follow truth. They follow Passion.]<<<<<
- Walker (09:48:40/4-10-54)

>>>>>[hehehhheeeehhheeeeehhheeee ehehe hee heeheh hehehe hhehehehe . Walker, I suspect you are a walking dead man. I'll send flowers.]<<<<<<
- The Laughing Man (08:39:36/4-11-54)


-- My 4e rules-fu is shaky, but Passions would seem to be rather easy to create as a magical tradition (hmm, might have to break down and get the new Earthdawn edition ...)
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post Jun 11 2010, 08:39 AM
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For the uninformed can I have a explination on the passions please
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post Jun 11 2010, 09:48 AM
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Gods. Totems that can manifest (and do occasionally, and then they die). Ascended mortals, maybe. Weird shit.

Vernya may be one. Spider of the Secrets of Power was one. Harlequin may qualify eventually, too, having his own metaplane already. Same with Dunkelzahn.

I agree, they might make nice traditions. But they worked morelike a Paragon anyone can use in ED. Of course, all ED characters were awakened by default.
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post Jun 11 2010, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Jun 11 2010, 10:48 AM) *
Gods. Totems that can manifest (and do occasionally, and then they die). Ascended mortals, maybe. Weird shit.

Vernya may be one. Spider of the Secrets of Power was one. Harlequin may qualify eventually, too, having his own metaplane already. Same with Dunkelzahn.

I agree, they might make nice traditions. But they worked morelike a Paragon anyone can use in ED. Of course, all ED characters were awakened by default.



Interesting,

Could be a fun way of stopping the horrors for a few mins if we raise up Harlequin to godling and send him off to fight and give him that big battle to the death kind of ending
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post Jun 11 2010, 10:08 AM
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Could be a fun way of stopping the horrors for a few mins

Yeah. A couple passions in a country called Vasgothia thought so once. Turns out they almost succeeded - but only almost. They're all dead now.

If anything would rise to passion level, though, it needs reverance. Dunkelzahn is perfectly set up to be a passion.

Oh, Thayla might have been a near-passion too (and is also dead). However, since her name is still known, unlike the vasgothian passions' names which turned to mystical clues and garblespeak that turns you mad when attempting to read, she might not have been a full blown passion yet.

Actually, since it came up once ... maybe Dunkelzahn, in time, will become a kind of Horror Ward passion.
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QUOTE (hermit @ Jun 11 2010, 09:48 AM) *
Gods. Totems that can manifest. Ascended mortals, maybe. Weird shit.

-- They were a bit more abstract than that in Earthdawn. They are incarnations of basic emotions and ideas (Totems of Love, Vengeance, Skill, etc. I suppose) who supposedly granted the gift of magic to Name-givers (sapient races).
-- Mechanically they would operate (somewhat amusingly IMO) sort of like a massively powerful free spirit who can maintain a crapload of spirit packs with their quaestors (beings who follow their mandates). Each one has quirky little abilities they can bestow.
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Vernya may be one. Spider of the Secrets of Power was one. Harlequin may qualify eventually, too, having his own metaplane already. Same with Dunkelzahn.

-- Passions were primordial things. I don't recall that there was any way to ascend to their level. They existed outside of the normal spirit organization, but were not immune to the warping influence of the Horrors (hence the three "Mad Passions").

-- The reason for their suppression in Shadowrun might have to do with A) Horror-taint, B) Hidden source of power (dubious is canon), or C) Metahuman emotions are so uncontrolled the Passions are dangerous to contact.
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post Jun 11 2010, 10:23 AM
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They were a bit more abstract than that in Earthdawn. They are incarnations of basic emotions and ideas (Totems of Love, Vengeance, Skill, etc. I suppose) who supposedly granted the gift of magic to Name-givers (sapient races).

I disagree. Most totems also have an emotional core - vanity with Cat, stubborn loyalty with Dog, tough love with Bear, aloof arrogance with Eagle. Also, totems used to grant magic before SR4 screwed things up. Not as the only way there is to magic, but as one way. Furthermore, there are the more abstract Idols of Europe (which are basically states of mind/emotions the mind then builds an Avatar for). While agreeably not the same, Totems work quite along the same line as Passions did - enough to give someone an idea of what a Passion roughly is.

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Mechanically they would operate (somewhat amusingly IMO) sort of like a massively powerful free spirit who can maintain a crapload of spirit packs with their quaestors (beings who follow their mandates). Each one has quirky little abilities they can bestow.

Huh. THAT meshes very well with SR4's Paragons.

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Passions were primordial things. I don't recall that there was any way to ascend to their level. They existed outside of the normal spirit organization, but were not immune to the warping influence of the Horrors (hence the three "Mad Passions").

Given that Passions seem like extra powerful spirits, there might be a way. Not strictly by canon, though, only by extrapolation (especially with dragons, who are half spirit in nature anyway).
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post Jun 11 2010, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE (Ancient History @ Jun 10 2010, 02:47 PM) *
If you want pain, remember that elven pregnancies last something like 50 weeks - she's preggers for a year.

A clever bit of evolution - the year-long pregnancy prepares the prospective father for having to deal with a decade-long puberty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jun 11 2010, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE (Tachi @ Jun 11 2010, 12:05 AM) *
Check out my Sig. After the fifth -or so- time I posted here for six hours straight completely shitfaced, I decided I'd beter start warning people. Now, when the regulars see the first word underlined, they usually tune me out... Which amuses me to no end and encourages me to be absurd. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) (Not drunk yet tonight, but working on it, 151 is my friend.)


Curiously, your post about the Sword of Damocles isn't underlined (I checked).

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I can see your point, but having that 'Sword of Damocles' hanging there seems to give my games a bit of tension that I like. Even with it being pushed back by the events after Dunk's suicide, it makes me feel like the entire drama of the Sixth World is like a massive live-fire exercise/brutal proving ground for the real action to come... eventually. And I like it. But that's just in my game. As we all know YMMV.

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QUOTE (graywulfe @ Jun 9 2010, 02:12 PM) *
You have put everything I love about the IE's and GD's in this game in the best words I've seen.


... and everything I loath about them. I don't play RPGs to be furniture and backdrop to GMPCs doing r33t shit.
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QUOTE (Dwight @ Jun 11 2010, 10:50 AM) *
... and everything I loath about them. I don't play RPGs to be furniture and backdrop to GMPCs doing r33t shit.

If you have a GM that has Ghostwalker and Harlequin following the players around or calling then up to go to go on a beer run for them, you might want to have a talk with him.
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... and everything I loath about them. I don't play RPGs to be furniture and backdrop to GMPCs doing r33t shit.

Then don't?
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While I do Like Harlequin, I would have prefered that all the "Immortal Elves" were not Immortal, they were only powerful enough to cas a spell on themselves and put themselves to sleep JUST like the Dragons did. And not like Highlanders who spent the next few millenia waiting for Magic come up again and learned (and taught?) all the cool tricks humanity developed during the low time.
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Jun 11 2010, 11:33 AM) *
While I do Like Harlequin, I would have prefered that all the "Immortal Elves" were not Immortal, they were only powerful enough to cas a spell on themselves and put themselves to sleep JUST like the Dragons did. And not like Highlanders who spent the next few millenia waiting for Magic come up again and learned (and taught?) all the cool tricks humanity developed during the low time.


Pretty much this, immortal characters that secretly run the world and were present at all major events is a silly plot to build a ten minutes into the future world with as it tends to blot over many other things.
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