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post Jun 16 2010, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE (augmentin @ Jun 16 2010, 09:04 AM) *
I am offended that someone thinks boobs will make me more likely to buy the book, disappointed at the decision to alienate a potential female audience, sad that I can't buy this book because I'd be too embarrassed to read it in front of my wife or daughter, questioning the integrity/ethics of using sex to sell a product (and this is especially puzzling since JMH has shown a high degree of integrity through this whole mess and we keep hearing about what a stand up guy RNB is), and refer back to Tom Dowd's thoughts on the subject.




>.> I'm a girl and I approve of boobies \o/
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post Jun 16 2010, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (The Dragon Girl @ Jun 16 2010, 06:26 PM) *
...oh idonno.. aside from the stupidity of going into a gun fight with no body armor..which has -always- been a problem with fantasy and scifi artwork..

And after 4A I thought Shadowrun had finally grown up and adopted a more mature (in he meaning of "grown up" not "tits") art style...

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Run a B/W filter over it and change the font for the title to some illegible scribble, that could be the official black metal sourcebook (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jun 16 2010, 05:58 PM
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See, here's where I disagree with you. I think the cover for Attitude is frelling brilliant, because it takes all the bad ideas Hollywood and the entertainment industry has in general, and amps them up a notch. It shows the absurdity of the media in the Sixth World, and just how badly they get their facts. I think the painting nails the artifice of the media in general, and in the 6th World in particular.

Karl Kombatmage does nothing for me.

The painting itself is also, for my own tastes, brilliantly done.

Well, good for you. I disagree there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

The Hollywood emphasis deepens my suspicion that this is essentially an LA citybook (which is all but useless to me). I just hope Pegasus devotes a longer write-up to cover everything that is not Hollywood then.

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So because you don't see the director or the cameraman, you're automatically sure they're not there? Whatever.

I always assume everything that is relevant to a picture is hinted at or shown (or missing in an obvious way). This is not the case here. Assuming the cover wants to show something like a set, a hint at that would have been really useful.

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It's 2072 and I live in a media drenched society. It's cheap to look the part and I crave the attention. Did I mention I'm a shadowrunner?

There're flies with a longer life expectancy than you, then. At least in my games where publicity usually is the last thing you need for a variety of reasons too obvious to state.
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post Jun 16 2010, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE ([jackal] @ Jun 16 2010, 10:30 AM) *

Honestly after Exalted: Savant and Sorcerer, I don't think any book cover phases me anymore.

Having your book lumped into the same category of the one listed above is not a good thing.
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post Jun 16 2010, 06:04 PM
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I just can't get that worked up over the cover art. It's not my favorite piece of cover art in the history of the game line, that's for sure, but that has little to do with the woman in the piece.

Excellent cover art (and interior art and layout) definitely help sell me on a book, but I don't typically judge a book by its cover.
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post Jun 16 2010, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (RunnerPaul @ Jun 16 2010, 02:02 PM) *
Having your book lumped into the same category of the one listed above is not a good thing.

After looking up said book I think I can safely say they don't deserve to be in the same category.
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post Jun 16 2010, 06:10 PM
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After looking up said book I think I can safely say they don't deserve to be in the same category.

Uhm, no. I don't like it, but it's not that.... grautitous.
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post Jun 16 2010, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Jun 16 2010, 01:58 PM) *
The Hollywood emphasis deepens my suspicion that this is essentially an LA citybook (which is all but useless to me). I just hope Pegasus devotes a longer write-up to cover everything that is not Hollywood then.

Last I saw anything relating to Attitude!, it wasn't an LA Citybook.
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post Jun 16 2010, 06:26 PM
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Hey, nice classy update today, Jason. Nice to see that Sandstorm affiliated products were pointed out.

Edit: I'd also love to know where the information came from that Attitude is Hollywood focused/LA citybook. I haven't seen anything that even mentioned LA yet.
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post Jun 16 2010, 06:31 PM
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It'S my own personal suspicion with the Hollywood centric theme of the book.
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post Jun 16 2010, 06:46 PM
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*shrugs* I guess. I don't immediately associate a book related to the modern day entertainment of the 2070's with Hollywood. There is actually a world-wide entertainment industry. Then again, I didn't get the feel (from the very short description) that it was specific to any one region's entertainment industry, more general information on running alternative campaigns/characters.
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post Jun 16 2010, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE (darthmord @ Jun 16 2010, 08:11 AM) *
In many ways it's a good thing that he's this vociferous about Shadowrun.

Why?

Because it shows his passion for the game and its setting. You **WANT** writers who are passionate about their work. They are far more likely to invest themselves in the work to make it sing & shine than some pay-me-write hack who doesn't care about the material.

Think about your favorite hobby. How much effort do you put into it?

Now think about your most hated activity. How much effort do you put into that?

See my point? An excellent writer will be passionate about his/her work, warts or otherwise.


Just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you have to go off like a raving loon when you don't get your way, and just because you go off like a raving loon when you don't get your way doesn't mean you're passionate about what you're doing, and either way, no one wants to work with someone who argues over every creative change that you may want to make to their contribution to a communal work.
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post Jun 16 2010, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 16 2010, 01:16 PM) *
Last I saw anything relating to Attitude!, it wasn't an LA Citybook.


Adam is right, which is something I never tire of saying. Attitude is not an LA city book.

Jason H.
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post Jun 16 2010, 07:40 PM
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Hmm. A Hail Mary, perhaps, but is some of this SR finery going to be available at GenCon?
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post Jun 16 2010, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (Deadmannumberone @ Jun 16 2010, 03:25 PM) *
Just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you have to go off like a raving loon when you don't get your way, and just because you go off like a raving loon when you don't get your way doesn't mean you're passionate about what you're doing, and either way, no one wants to work with someone who argues over every creative change that you may want to make to their contribution to a communal work.


No one is acting like a raving loon. I would rather work with a headstrong genius than an incompetent fraud. There is so much that still hasn't been translated to here from the dev forums. Bobby's work speaks for itself, and his passion.

Long and the short is there was a personality conflict that was not resolved correctly.

The problem started with divergent visions. It grew and festered, most likely compounded with trust breaking behaviours (on both sides). If it cannot be unified it needs to be handled carefully, and I am guessing it wasn't. I am guessing that conflict management or negotiations were not exercised, or the rolls were glitched.
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post Jun 16 2010, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (Platinum @ Jun 16 2010, 03:40 PM) *
Bobby's work speaks for itself, and his passion.


And here's the funny thing about that. It speaks differently to different people. There are actually people out there *shock and horror* that dislike his style and some of his work. That doesn't make them wrong. It's an opinion. Sort of like Ancient History's views on the current material. It's an opinion, not gospel.
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post Jun 16 2010, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE (JM Hardy @ Jun 16 2010, 11:28 AM) *
Adam is right, which is something I never tire of saying. Attitude is not an LA city book.

Jason H.


Adam is always right!

Ya know, it'd be nice if there was some Nerps™ product placement on the cover of something...
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post Jun 16 2010, 08:30 PM
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And here's the funny thing about that. It speaks differently to different people. There are actually people out there *shock and horror* that dislike his style and some of his work.

And then there are people who like his style and most of his general ideas, but not some of his work. Like, y'know, me. It's a vast and complex place, this world.
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post Jun 16 2010, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (Platinum @ Jun 16 2010, 12:40 PM) *
I would rather work with a headstrong genius than an incompetent fraud.


Before folk get knickers twisted, I'm just going to clarify here that you weren't calling JH an incompetent fraud.
rite? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif)


As to the cover image, I'm more upset that she has her bipod deployed, her optics uncapped and an suck-ass vietnam-era box magazine. Shame on her!
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post Jun 16 2010, 10:12 PM
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Mass Hysteria, not pandemonium. Get your quote right! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Jun 17 2010, 12:12 AM
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My complaint about the covers both for Arsenal and Augmentation are they are too busy and appears to be flat. I like the war book a bit better because it has a lot of subtlety where the more you look at the artwork the more you discover, but it is still pleasing to view. Runner's companion is an probably the best example of good artwork. Your eye is drawn to one location and the artwork has depth rather than being flat. On War! The funny thing is my eye was drawn to the guy on the left because it represents more of how I see my characters.

Overall I think the fully clothed elf on SR4a is sexier than any of the other characters I have seen on the various covers.
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While I'm generally not a fan of the SR4 coverwork--Augmentation, I'm looking at you--I can at least stand them. I've seen worse covers. What really bugs me is some of the interior art. Look at the metavariant pictures in the Runner's Companion (pp 47 and 56). Jeezum Crow, it's pretty bad.
I'm just glad the days of Laubenstein are gone. Your mileage may vary, but I for one could not stand his artstyle.
As for bad covers? Look at Dragons of the Sixth World. It's incredible artwork, mind you, I would really enjoy it--except the dragon has nipple piercings. WTF?
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QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Jun 16 2010, 04:11 PM) *
Before folk get knickers twisted, I'm just going to clarify here that you weren't calling JH an incompetent fraud.
rite? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif)


Correct. My statement wasn't tied to anyone. It was a general statement about personalities.
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post Jun 17 2010, 01:18 AM
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QUOTE (toturi @ Jun 16 2010, 03:43 AM) *
This smells like... Shadowland shit. Makes me nostalgic.

Real personalities, real conflict, all emo! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

sadly, it makes AH seem no better then ol' frank.
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QUOTE (Platinum @ Jun 16 2010, 07:06 PM) *

looks like boba fett with boobs. Marginally better then the similar art in D20 future, simply because the armor do not feature a bare midriff (tho the black catsuit is, well, black colored "skin").

btw, checked the video she was from. Ugh, can they think up nothing better then to give the sith star destroyers and tie fighters? Heck, the main jedi of the video seems to the packing a companion droid not that dissimilar from R2. And here i thought the best that have happened star wars in recent times is the clone wars series that basically show the jedi fighting side by side with what eventually becomes the empire, complete with first gen star destroyers and storm troopers.

sorry, had to get that hammered out. rant over.
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