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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 322 Joined: 19-July 09 From: CAS Member No.: 17,410 ![]() |
I am offended that someone thinks boobs will make me more likely to buy the book, disappointed at the decision to alienate a potential female audience, sad that I can't buy this book because I'd be too embarrassed to read it in front of my wife or daughter, questioning the integrity/ethics of using sex to sell a product (and this is especially puzzling since JMH has shown a high degree of integrity through this whole mess and we keep hearing about what a stand up guy RNB is), and refer back to Tom Dowd's thoughts on the subject. >.> I'm a girl and I approve of boobies \o/ |
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#102
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,089 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 ![]() |
...oh idonno.. aside from the stupidity of going into a gun fight with no body armor..which has -always- been a problem with fantasy and scifi artwork.. And after 4A I thought Shadowrun had finally grown up and adopted a more mature (in he meaning of "grown up" not "tits") art style... QUOTE I'd do it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Run a B/W filter over it and change the font for the title to some illegible scribble, that could be the official black metal sourcebook (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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#103
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
QUOTE See, here's where I disagree with you. I think the cover for Attitude is frelling brilliant, because it takes all the bad ideas Hollywood and the entertainment industry has in general, and amps them up a notch. It shows the absurdity of the media in the Sixth World, and just how badly they get their facts. I think the painting nails the artifice of the media in general, and in the 6th World in particular. Karl Kombatmage does nothing for me. The painting itself is also, for my own tastes, brilliantly done. Well, good for you. I disagree there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) The Hollywood emphasis deepens my suspicion that this is essentially an LA citybook (which is all but useless to me). I just hope Pegasus devotes a longer write-up to cover everything that is not Hollywood then. QUOTE So because you don't see the director or the cameraman, you're automatically sure they're not there? Whatever. I always assume everything that is relevant to a picture is hinted at or shown (or missing in an obvious way). This is not the case here. Assuming the cover wants to show something like a set, a hint at that would have been really useful. QUOTE It's 2072 and I live in a media drenched society. It's cheap to look the part and I crave the attention. Did I mention I'm a shadowrunner? There're flies with a longer life expectancy than you, then. At least in my games where publicity usually is the last thing you need for a variety of reasons too obvious to state. |
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#104
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 ![]() |
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#105
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 ![]() |
I just can't get that worked up over the cover art. It's not my favorite piece of cover art in the history of the game line, that's for sure, but that has little to do with the woman in the piece.
Excellent cover art (and interior art and layout) definitely help sell me on a book, but I don't typically judge a book by its cover. |
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#106
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 583 Joined: 6-November 09 From: MTL Member No.: 17,849 ![]() |
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#107
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
QUOTE After looking up said book I think I can safely say they don't deserve to be in the same category. Uhm, no. I don't like it, but it's not that.... grautitous. |
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#108
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 ![]() |
The Hollywood emphasis deepens my suspicion that this is essentially an LA citybook (which is all but useless to me). I just hope Pegasus devotes a longer write-up to cover everything that is not Hollywood then. Last I saw anything relating to Attitude!, it wasn't an LA Citybook. |
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#109
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 17-March 10 Member No.: 18,303 ![]() |
Hey, nice classy update today, Jason. Nice to see that Sandstorm affiliated products were pointed out.
Edit: I'd also love to know where the information came from that Attitude is Hollywood focused/LA citybook. I haven't seen anything that even mentioned LA yet. |
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#110
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
It'S my own personal suspicion with the Hollywood centric theme of the book.
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#111
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 17-March 10 Member No.: 18,303 ![]() |
*shrugs* I guess. I don't immediately associate a book related to the modern day entertainment of the 2070's with Hollywood. There is actually a world-wide entertainment industry. Then again, I didn't get the feel (from the very short description) that it was specific to any one region's entertainment industry, more general information on running alternative campaigns/characters.
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#112
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 298 Joined: 15-March 09 Member No.: 16,974 ![]() |
In many ways it's a good thing that he's this vociferous about Shadowrun. Why? Because it shows his passion for the game and its setting. You **WANT** writers who are passionate about their work. They are far more likely to invest themselves in the work to make it sing & shine than some pay-me-write hack who doesn't care about the material. Think about your favorite hobby. How much effort do you put into it? Now think about your most hated activity. How much effort do you put into that? See my point? An excellent writer will be passionate about his/her work, warts or otherwise. Just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you have to go off like a raving loon when you don't get your way, and just because you go off like a raving loon when you don't get your way doesn't mean you're passionate about what you're doing, and either way, no one wants to work with someone who argues over every creative change that you may want to make to their contribution to a communal work. |
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#113
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 12-May 05 Member No.: 7,392 ![]() |
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#114
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 ![]() |
Hmm. A Hail Mary, perhaps, but is some of this SR finery going to be available at GenCon?
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#115
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 ![]() |
Just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you have to go off like a raving loon when you don't get your way, and just because you go off like a raving loon when you don't get your way doesn't mean you're passionate about what you're doing, and either way, no one wants to work with someone who argues over every creative change that you may want to make to their contribution to a communal work. No one is acting like a raving loon. I would rather work with a headstrong genius than an incompetent fraud. There is so much that still hasn't been translated to here from the dev forums. Bobby's work speaks for itself, and his passion. Long and the short is there was a personality conflict that was not resolved correctly. The problem started with divergent visions. It grew and festered, most likely compounded with trust breaking behaviours (on both sides). If it cannot be unified it needs to be handled carefully, and I am guessing it wasn't. I am guessing that conflict management or negotiations were not exercised, or the rolls were glitched. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 17-March 10 Member No.: 18,303 ![]() |
Bobby's work speaks for itself, and his passion. And here's the funny thing about that. It speaks differently to different people. There are actually people out there *shock and horror* that dislike his style and some of his work. That doesn't make them wrong. It's an opinion. Sort of like Ancient History's views on the current material. It's an opinion, not gospel. |
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#117
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,359 Joined: 25-June 02 From: Vancouver, B.C., Canada (go Canucks!) Member No.: 2,904 ![]() |
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#118
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
QUOTE And here's the funny thing about that. It speaks differently to different people. There are actually people out there *shock and horror* that dislike his style and some of his work. And then there are people who like his style and most of his general ideas, but not some of his work. Like, y'know, me. It's a vast and complex place, this world. |
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#119
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 ![]() |
I would rather work with a headstrong genius than an incompetent fraud. Before folk get knickers twisted, I'm just going to clarify here that you weren't calling JH an incompetent fraud. rite? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif) As to the cover image, I'm more upset that she has her bipod deployed, her optics uncapped and an suck-ass vietnam-era box magazine. Shame on her! |
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#120
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Grumpy Old Ork Decker ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 3,794 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orwell, Ohio Member No.: 50 ![]() |
Rationality is not approved on Dumpshock. Cats Dogs Living together Pandemonium. BlueMax Mass Hysteria, not pandemonium. Get your quote right! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Bull |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 473 Joined: 11-May 09 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 17,167 ![]() |
My complaint about the covers both for Arsenal and Augmentation are they are too busy and appears to be flat. I like the war book a bit better because it has a lot of subtlety where the more you look at the artwork the more you discover, but it is still pleasing to view. Runner's companion is an probably the best example of good artwork. Your eye is drawn to one location and the artwork has depth rather than being flat. On War! The funny thing is my eye was drawn to the guy on the left because it represents more of how I see my characters.
Overall I think the fully clothed elf on SR4a is sexier than any of the other characters I have seen on the various covers. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 359 Joined: 10-June 10 From: Renton--metas keep out Member No.: 18,684 ![]() |
While I'm generally not a fan of the SR4 coverwork--Augmentation, I'm looking at you--I can at least stand them. I've seen worse covers. What really bugs me is some of the interior art. Look at the metavariant pictures in the Runner's Companion (pp 47 and 56). Jeezum Crow, it's pretty bad.
I'm just glad the days of Laubenstein are gone. Your mileage may vary, but I for one could not stand his artstyle. As for bad covers? Look at Dragons of the Sixth World. It's incredible artwork, mind you, I would really enjoy it--except the dragon has nipple piercings. WTF? |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115 ![]() |
Before folk get knickers twisted, I'm just going to clarify here that you weren't calling JH an incompetent fraud. rite? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif) Correct. My statement wasn't tied to anyone. It was a general statement about personalities. |
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panda! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 ![]() |
This smells like... Shadowland shit. Makes me nostalgic. Real personalities, real conflict, all emo! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) sadly, it makes AH seem no better then ol' frank. |
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panda! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 ![]() |
looks like boba fett with boobs. Marginally better then the similar art in D20 future, simply because the armor do not feature a bare midriff (tho the black catsuit is, well, black colored "skin"). btw, checked the video she was from. Ugh, can they think up nothing better then to give the sith star destroyers and tie fighters? Heck, the main jedi of the video seems to the packing a companion droid not that dissimilar from R2. And here i thought the best that have happened star wars in recent times is the clone wars series that basically show the jedi fighting side by side with what eventually becomes the empire, complete with first gen star destroyers and storm troopers. sorry, had to get that hammered out. rant over. |
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