My CGL-ness aside, that's never done in the business world. 'John Doe has moved on to a new opportunity, we wish him well.' and 'I can confim that John Doe worked for us from February 29th 2007 until November 31st 2009.', never 'John Doe had XXXX disciplinary action.' HR nightmare there. As for hiring, I believe it has been conveyed that we've hired a new bookkeeper.

This I see as truth and a major problem. Once your already in financial trouble its too late to fix the problem in any quick and nice manner. If they were not in court and having to watch their pennies. You hire some consultants who get in done in a few weeks. I even know two agencies in the Seattle area who handle this exact stuff. But your looking at $150 per hour per accountant needed aprox at the low end. For a small buisness your probably looking at a team of 5 and a month work. so 150x8x5x30=180k to clean up the mess, and thats on the lower end of the scale. Not exactly pocket change even for a 3 million dollar company.

DOH. Nevermind. M&P beat me to the punchline.

That'll teach me to reply before reading all the way through.

My CGL-ness aside, that's never done in the business world. 'John Doe has moved on to a new opportunity, we wish him well.' and 'I can confim that John Doe worked for us from February 29th 2007 until November 31st 2009.', never 'John Doe had XXXX disciplinary action.' HR nightmare there. As for hiring, I believe it has been conveyed that we've hired a new bookkeeper.

There's a lot more to it than that. Certain "code" questions are asked, like: "Would you hire this person again?" and others, to subtly indicate if this person was fired. When you're asked what kind of reference you'd give, you can also get away with a lot. Basically, if John Doe was an unmitigated disaster, there's ways of letting a potential employer know. Also, if Bobby Derie or Jennifer Harding had someone call their past employers, I'm sure something negative would be said.

There are laws in some states that strictly prohibit what a former boss can say. If they're just listed as an employer, all they can do in many states is confirm dates of employment and that's it. If that person is put as a reference, it's completely different.

Also, if Bobby Derie or Jennifer Harding had someone call their past employers, I'm sure something negative would be said.

I'd be willing to guess that what would be said would vary, depending on who within CGL was spoken to. I'm also not sure how you are so sure that negative responses would be the only ones. There's been a great deal of positive well-wishes and thanks put out to the folks who left, in the official press releases. When you've got an employer asking about a previous employee, a whole lot of companies are going to respond with rather neutral statements, similar to what you'll find in a press release. Anything else is too risky in the rather litigious American (as it would be the relevant one in this case) legal system. Legal risk is certainly something that CGL is very aware of right now, seeing as how they've suffered some problems due to increasing such risks with prior actions and behaviors.

I'd be willing to guess that what would be said would vary, depending on who within CGL was spoken to. I'm also not sure how you are so sure that negative responses would be the only ones. There's been a great deal of positive well-wishes and thanks put out to the folks who left, in the official press releases. When you've got an employer asking about a previous employee, a whole lot of companies are going to respond with rather neutral statements, similar to what you'll find in a press release. Anything else is too risky in the rather litigious American (as it would be the relevant one in this case) legal system. Legal risk is certainly something that CGL is very aware of right now, seeing as how they've suffered some problems due to increasing such risks with prior actions and behaviors.

If you'll read the line you quoted carefully, you'll notice that I only stated that something negative would be said. Not that "negative responses would be the only ones." So, I'm calling a Straw Man on that whole argument, and tossing it like yesterday's trash. There are various ways of communicating that an employee is not welcome back that are technically legal, and I'll bet you that some of them would be used.

If you'll read the line you quoted carefully, you'll notice that I only stated that something negative would be said. Not that "negative responses would be the only ones." So, I'm calling a Straw Man on that whole argument, and tossing it like yesterday's trash. There are various ways of communicating that an employee is not welcome back that are technically legal, and I'll bet you that some of them would be used.

But then again, maybe they wouldn't...

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We would like to inform you that Jane Doe has decided to give a new impulse to her
career, which has led her to leave us on 16th July 2010. We warmly thank Jane for her
involvement and the energy she has devoted to us during 3 years, and we wish her a lot of success
in her new professional challenge.

Honestly, what does 'give new impulse to her career' mean? Like most statements about employment these days, its a nothing statement.

Sounds like a codephrase for "She switched industries."

"Tight lipped and neutral" is HR code for "We wouldn't rehire this person under any circumstances". I recently had someone call my past employers, and the ones who like me were ebullient and enthusiastic. The ones who didn't were tight-lipped and politely neutral. You can tell a lot from that.

Disregard this, wrong thread/window @.@

I'm not a mod, but the one-line, no useful addition posts are bothering me. It seems to be just a way of pumping your post count.

And like I said before, I find excessive mentions of faith to be offensive. I asked you once to stop, and you did, for one post. Please stop.

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This is not always true, though. I'm part of a large company, and our instructions are to NEVER give feedback when representing the company - positive or negative - other than position, general job description, and work hire/release dates. I believe that HR had dealt with too many complaints over the years regarding comments like "For someone of his poor hygiene, he doesn't steal as much as you'd think he would." (Quote shamelessly stolen from Dilbert.)

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i meant that i had realized i was posting in the wrong window/thread only after i had clicked submit O.o

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