 German Arsenal 2070 and BodyTech (Augmentation), Anyone willing to translate and post some new stuff? |
 Jul 14 2010, 07:48 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 111 Joined: 2-September 05 From: Canada Member No.: 7,672  |
I recently came across Raben-aas' DeviantArt page and some of the fantastic Shadowrun artwork he's done, particularly for Pegasus Games over in Germany. In glancing through his more recent work I got the impression that there is some new gear in their new adaptions of Arsenal and Augmentation.
You can check out his DeviantArt page here. Great stuff there! Now there were a couple pictures he did, like this Ruhrmetall Minigun as well as the 'Mechanized' Milspec Assault Armor that I am VERY interested in. If anyone has the german books and could translate some of the new stuff, that would be awesome. I understand that some players have a hate on for the extra german crunch (due to some past unbalanced shenanigans), but even Raben-aas points out that the new german SR publishers are trying not to go down that same road. With that in mind... well.... I love Shadowrun, and especially new Shadowrun CRUNCH! No matter what the language! So translations on some of the fun new gear would be appreciated. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Jul 14 2010, 09:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 171 Joined: 30-August 08 Member No.: 16,291 |
I do not have my books here, but all the extra German stuff I've seen so far is not that extraordinairy. Especially the Saeder-Krupp Myrmidon Armor und the Balmung gatling gun. As far as I remember, the former is a heavy military armor with chemical sealing and some sensors in the helmet, while the latter is simply a medium machine gun gone gatling.
For more detailed informations please take a look at my hourly wage rates. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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Jul 14 2010, 11:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 8,495 |
Importent is, that all the additional Stuff is approved by CGL and they have all the stuff (next to the whole SOX book Background Part, which was written in english), they just do not use it, or wait to put some pdf out. I think most of the guns and armor will be seen in War! und most of the cars will be in the 30 Rides pdf, allready mentioned.
Like Uli said: The Balmung is like a MMG Gating and the Myrmidon Armor is a Heavy MilSpec Armor with some Mods. in Augmentation are no new things, only 3-4 new Cyberware Suites, but at leat we have an errata (where things like essence holes are fixed and the nano biomonitor is much better) cya Tycho |
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Jul 14 2010, 12:08 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,091 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
The extra stuff from Arsenal 2070 can be found in DK's chargen, some extra info which did not fit into the sheet is here. [/shameless_plug]
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Jul 14 2010, 02:03 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
We were told along time ago we would probably see an translation of added items.
Were were also told we'd get an Augmentation errata many many moons ago. Like DDH it's just Shadow Myth. |
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Jul 14 2010, 02:33 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Weren't we told something about "Shadows of Latin America" as well?
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Jul 24 2010, 04:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 748 Joined: 22-April 07 From: Vermont Member No.: 11,507 |
Are either of these books available as PDFs ?
I poked around the Pegasus site, but could only find listingd for printed versions. |
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Jul 24 2010, 06:31 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Jul 14 2010, 06:08 AM)  The extra stuff from Arsenal 2070 can be found in DK's chargen, some extra info which did not fit into the sheet is here. [/shameless_plug] Sadly, the link in the post you linked to has been removed from its hosting site. Anyone got a rehost? But yeah. I noticed stuff being off in the character generator, too, and went 'wtf is this new gear? where did it come from?' I'd love to see a list of the new stuff, too. particularly those cyberware suites. |
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Jul 24 2010, 06:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 368 Joined: 18-April 10 From: Boulder, PCC Sector, Denver Member No.: 18,468 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 14 2010, 08:33 AM) Weren't we told something about "Shadows of Latin America" as well? I seem to recall reading that SoLA was mostly done but will never, ever, ever see the light of day due to IP issues. |
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Jul 24 2010, 08:48 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 |
QUOTE (Tycho @ Jul 14 2010, 06:53 AM) in Augmentation are no new things, only 3-4 new Cyberware Suites, but at leat we have an errata (where things like essence holes are fixed and the nano biomonitor is much better) cya Tycho What is better about the German version of the nano biomonitor? If it is capacity, then damn why didn't they put that in the American version? |
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Jul 24 2010, 10:42 AM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
Added Synergy: Increase the rating of Nanosymbiotes, O-Cells, TCS and all other medical nanites by +1.
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Jul 24 2010, 11:40 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (Minchandre @ Jul 24 2010, 08:56 AM) I seem to recall reading that SoLA was mostly done but will never, ever, ever see the light of day due to IP issues. SoLA has been mostly released for free to the community by the freelancers who were involved with writing the book. Look around on dumpshock, it should be easy to find . . Now HOLOSTREETS on the other hand . . yeah, no let's not go there ^^ |
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Jul 25 2010, 10:33 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,091 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jul 24 2010, 07:31 AM) Sadly, the link in the post you linked to has been removed from its hosting site. Anyone got a rehost? That link was just the then-current version with the new stuff added to it, simply get the most recent version (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) PS: The list of changes from the Pegasus site: QUOTE Melee weapons: * Athame * Injection dagger * Sword cane Projectile weapons: * payload tip Firearms: * AS-113o "Assassin" * Enfield Merlin * Zastava CZ49 * AK-127 * Altmayr SP * Ruhrmetall R506 Balmung Clothing and Armour: * Anielski-Joop: reconquista Collektion * dressCODE: CYBERPIRATE Collektion * Rheingold: Aurora Collektion * SK Myrmidon Military Armour Survival Gear: * Proteus Underwater Sled This and That: * (Inline Skates)/Powerboard Fahrzeuge und Drohnen: * BMW 2065 Mjöllnir (Racing Bike) * BMW Trollhammer (Chopper) * BMW RV430 (sedan) * Eurocar President (limo) * Mercedes IG310 Igel (ATV) * Peugeot 11e ElectroCar (subcompact) * Volkswagen Lingus (midsize car) * Renault-Fiat 264 „Fattorina“ (delivery van) * Scania VM 42 (cargo truck) * Messerschmidt-Kawasaki Wandervogel (tilt-wing aircraft) * Mercedes Multimog Greif (command vehicle) * Mercedes PE Commando (secure delivery van) * Ruhrmetall Wolf II (APC) * Jena Robotnik Cyclone (spy microdrone) * Renraku Shrew (spy minidrone, disassemblable) * Ruhrmetall Wolfsspinne (arachnid walker drone) PPS: The German Augmentation also introduced the rule that the essence cost reduction from cybersuites is added to other multipliers, not multiplied (the cost reduction is treated normally, on the other hand)...just pretend it doesn't exist (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Jul 25 2010, 12:15 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
And no, the Power-Board is, sadly, NOT a Hover-Board with miniature-jets on it . .
Just a usual run of the mill motorized skateboard . . Think Turtle-Power here. |
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Jul 25 2010, 12:31 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jul 24 2010, 07:40 AM) SoLA has been mostly released for free to the community by the freelancers who were involved with writing the book. Look around on dumpshock, it should be easy to find . . *points down to his signature* |
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Jul 25 2010, 01:07 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
*points at DE's signature too*
There you have it folks, one of the Masterminds behind SoLA has spoken and once again, pointed us in the right direction ^^ |
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Jul 25 2010, 03:15 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Jul 25 2010, 01:33 PM) PPS: The German Augmentation also introduced the rule that the essence cost reduction from cybersuites is added to other multipliers, not multiplied (the cost reduction is treated normally, on the other hand)...just pretend it doesn't exist (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) So german version has errata included in it, addition is how those reduction are supposed to be handled, augmentation errata should make that clear, if we ever get it. |
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Jul 25 2010, 04:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 748 Joined: 22-April 07 From: Vermont Member No.: 11,507 |
So is it possible to buy a PDF of Arsenal 2070 ?
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Jul 25 2010, 09:33 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,091 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Mäx @ Jul 25 2010, 03:15 PM) So german version has errata included in it, addition is how those reduction are supposed to be handled, augmentation errata should make that clear, if we ever get it. Nah, they should just revert this silly inconsistency. Why should the essence reduction of suites be added up if all other essence and cost modifiers are multipliers, including the Nuyen cost of suites? And no, Pegasus does not do pdf releases. |
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Jul 25 2010, 10:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 8,495 |
there are no German pdfs, only print products.
So it is not possible to buy a Arsenal 2070 pdf. cya Tycho |
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Jul 26 2010, 05:28 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Jul 26 2010, 12:33 AM) Nah, they should just revert this silly inconsistency. Why should the essence reduction of suites be added up if all other essence and cost modifiers are multipliers, including the Nuyen cost of suites? You missunderstood me(my fault) all cost reductions are supposed to be added together not multiplied. |
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Jul 26 2010, 09:42 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,091 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Mäx @ Jul 26 2010, 05:28 AM) You missunderstood me(my fault) all cost reductions are supposed to be added together not multiplied. I'm afraid that's not how math works, young Padawan. Getting 50% off something which is already sold at half the original price means you pay 25% of the original price, not 0. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And seriously, I don't get the rationale behind this change. Are cybersuites so unpopular that the minor essence reduction is worth the crappy math? Just for comparison, the SK Cyberlogician in Augmentation: CODE Standard Civilian Version (alphaware) 1.98 Essence 186,480¥ Deluxe Civilian Version (betaware) 1.73 Essence 372,960¥ Standard Military Version (alphaware) 2.48 Essence 305,730¥ Deluxe Military Version (betaware) 2.17 Essence 611,460¥ ...and in Bodytech CODE Standard Civilian Version (alphaware) 1.93 Essence 186,480¥
Deluxe Civilian Version (betaware) 1.65 Essence 372,960¥ Standard Military Version (alphaware) 2.42 Essence 305,730¥ Deluxe Military Version (betaware) 2.07 Essence 611,460¥ |
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Jul 26 2010, 11:27 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Jul 26 2010, 11:42 AM) I'm afraid that's not how math works, young Padawan. Getting 50% off something which is already sold at half the original price means you pay 25% of the original price, not 0. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) That might be, but that doesn't change the fact that essence reductions are supposed to be handelt by adding up the different redution before redusing them from the original cost, Augmentation errata should make that clear if we ever get it, as well a correct the costs of all suites. Also none of the suites in Aug cost that much essence, the real difference gomes when you get somethink like alphaware wired reflexes 3 in a suite and you have taken adaptsin treatment and have biocompatipility quality for cyberware. Thats 5*0,8'0,9*0,9*0,9=2,916 if done as multiples and 5*0,5=2,5 if adding the multipliers together first as it was ment ot be done. thats nearly half a point of essence difference in cost. |
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Jul 26 2010, 02:00 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,091 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Mäx @ Jul 26 2010, 12:27 PM) That might be, but that doesn't change the fact that essence reductions are supposed to be handelt by adding up the different redution before redusing them from the original cost ...and you got this info from where? Except for suites, and even then only for essence costs, there is no rule which says "add up the cost multipliers". And the example for used alphaware uses correct math both in the German and English versions. |
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Jul 26 2010, 02:02 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Jul 26 2010, 04:00 PM) ...and you got this info from where? Except for suites, and even then only for essence costs, there is no rule which says "add up the cost multipliers". And the example for used alphaware uses correct math both in the German and English versions. Synner and other developers/writers. And that second-hand alphaware is the biggest reason that this change is nessecary, its totally bongers that you get implants that cost less essence on same nuyen prise bys gettin used alpha instead of new standart. |
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