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post Aug 17 2010, 11:33 PM
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I always thought it was Tir Tairngiskia.
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post Aug 18 2010, 02:39 AM
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My pronunciation for years (using English words): Tier Tay-urn-guy-err

Pronunciation according to Sixth World Almanac: Shear shane-guy-ray

And the only people that would use the former pronunciation if the latter is correct are anti-elf (or at least anti-Tir) elements attempting to be derisive. Media in the 6th world is far more audio-visual than text based (in fact, in 3rd ed, you were considered to have read/write skill of 1/2 of whatever your spoken skill in the language was due to this). So odds are, the more common derisive way to pronounce the countries' names would probably end up being a crappy pun based on the word "shear".
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post Aug 18 2010, 07:54 AM
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What? Rather than some sort of Oregon Trail of Tirs joke?
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post Aug 18 2010, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE (tete @ Aug 17 2010, 11:40 PM) *
Also since Irish Gaelic and Spethireal are both language options in older editions I would say they are not the same thing.

Definedly not the same language as 6WA list for Tir na Nog both Irish Gaelic and Irish Sperethiel as the nations primary languages after english.
Also apparently Irish Sperethiel is different from Sperethiel that is listted as Tir Tairngires official langue.
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post Aug 18 2010, 10:33 AM
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teeer tan guy-ar.

Also, not to be confused with Tyr Tan GUYVER!
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post Aug 18 2010, 03:06 PM
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I wouldn't immediately say it's anti-Elf to 'mispronounce' Tir Tairngire. It *could* be, if it were intentional, and in the right context, and using the correct tone of voice/facial expression/etc.
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post Aug 18 2010, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 18 2010, 03:06 PM) *
I wouldn't immediately say it's anti-Elf to 'mispronounce' Tir Tairngire. It *could* be, if it were intentional, and in the right context, and using the correct tone of voice/facial expression/etc.


I dunno, pronouncing it "Dandy Land" or "Keebstown" might get the point across no matter what you tone was. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Aug 18 2010, 03:15 PM
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No, those are legitimate dialectal variants in certain cultural centers. CAS, for example. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) It's all they know, they learn it as children.
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post Aug 18 2010, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (Mäx @ Aug 18 2010, 09:00 AM) *
Definedly not the same language as 6WA list for Tir na Nog both Irish Gaelic and Irish Sperethiel as the nations primary languages after english.
Also apparently Irish Sperethiel is different from Sperethiel that is listted as Tir Tairngires official langue.


So does that mean even the elves argue about how to say it? Irish Sperethiel vs Sperethiel?
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post Aug 18 2010, 05:23 PM
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"The Oregon Elf place" and "The Irish Elf place"

Or

"Tir Oregon" and "Tir Ireland"
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post Aug 18 2010, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE (Acme @ Aug 17 2010, 02:51 PM) *
... Oh my lord, it never stops for Oregon, does it, even in the future. Even when we change the name people still get the pronunciation wrong. (Granted, I still pronounce the T's in TT so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )

Tell me about it. I was born in Portland and now I live in Eastern Washington. I cannot count the times I have heard Ore-ee-gone or Warshington. And since I live in Eastern Washington I get to hear Spo-cane alot. Then again it took me awhile to figure out how to pronounce Puyallup.

As for the Tir business I always pronounce it Tear Tare-n-gear. I have a friend who cannot pronounce Sperethiel. It always comes out S-fur-reth-ree-al. My Dad taught me to pronounce Sidhe and foci.
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post Aug 18 2010, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE (crash2029 @ Aug 18 2010, 09:06 PM) *
Tell me about it. I was born in Portland and now I live in Eastern Washington. I cannot count the times I have heard Ore-ee-gone or Warshington. And since I live in Eastern Washington I get to hear Spo-cane alot. Then again it took me awhile to figure out how to pronounce Puyallup.

As for the Tir business I always pronounce it Tear Tare-n-gear. I have a friend who cannot pronounce Sperethiel. It always comes out S-fur-reth-ree-al. My Dad taught me to pronounce Sidhe and foci.


My personal favorite in Seattle is fremont is pronounced by the locals as FREEmont. I think the French are laughing at us.
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post Aug 18 2010, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (Abstruse @ Aug 18 2010, 03:39 AM) *
My pronunciation for years (using English words): Tier Tay-urn-guy-err

Pronunciation according to Sixth World Almanac: Shear shane-guy-ray

And the only people that would use the former pronunciation if the latter is correct are anti-elf (or at least anti-Tir) elements attempting to be derisive. Media in the 6th world is far more audio-visual than text based (in fact, in 3rd ed, you were considered to have read/write skill of 1/2 of whatever your spoken skill in the language was due to this). So odds are, the more common derisive way to pronounce the countries' names would probably end up being a crappy pun based on the word "shear".


so do you pronounce Chicago as Shicago? and if you do are you anti American Indian? or Anti something else to do with the city? When a word from one language is pronounced by speakers of another things get weird.
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post Aug 18 2010, 11:12 PM
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This is just like how the word Sidhe is pronounced "She". Makes no sense. At all.
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post Aug 18 2010, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (Daylen @ Aug 18 2010, 10:29 PM) *
so do you pronounce Chicago as Shicago? and if you do are you anti American Indian? or Anti something else to do with the city? When a word from one language is pronounced by speakers of another things get weird.


Thats Ticago to you bub (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Aug 18 2010, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE (Kraegor @ Aug 18 2010, 05:12 PM) *
This is just like how the word Sidhe is pronounced "She". Makes no sense. At all.


That's gaelic for you. Multiple instances of 3-4 letter combinations that are flat out silent in pronunciation.
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE (tete @ Aug 18 2010, 04:20 PM) *
My personal favorite in Seattle is fremont is pronounced by the locals as FREEmont. I think the French are laughing at us.

Oh, that's universal. I live in Austin, TX, which has a large Hispanic population. We have two streets here named Guadalupe and Manchaca. They are inexplicably pronounced "Goo-wad-a-loop" and "Man-shack". This is obviously not the correct way to pronounce either, but that's how everyone says them, even the bus announcements. And even the bus announcements in Spanish. *shrug*

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post Aug 19 2010, 12:32 AM
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QUOTE (crash2029 @ Aug 18 2010, 05:06 PM) *
My Dad taught me to pronounce Sidhe and foci.


My God. I have been playing Shadowrun for damn near 18 years or so and I have been saying foci wrong for all of them...

Man I feel dumb! At least I have been saying Aztlan right! I have realized I really did not know how to pronounce some of this stuff AT ALL!
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE (tete @ Aug 18 2010, 11:21 PM) *
Thats Ticago to you bub (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'd rather Titstogo...
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE (Darkeus @ Aug 18 2010, 07:32 PM) *
My God. I have been playing Shadowrun for damn near 18 years or so and I have been saying foci wrong for all of them...

Man I feel dumb! At least I have been saying Aztlan right! I have realized I really did not know how to pronounce some of this stuff AT ALL!

Foci is just "focus" with an "eye" sound at the end instead of "us", right? I mean it's just the normal Latin pluralization...unless I've been saying it wrong too.

And I learned sidhe was pronounced "she" from The Dresden Files audio books. Still have MASSIVE problems with a lot of the Aztlantian words. I just stumble through them until my roommate pipes up for me. "Az-lan" is how I always say it, but do NOT ask me about the capital city...never gotten that one.
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post Aug 19 2010, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE (Abstruse @ Aug 18 2010, 09:23 PM) *
Foci is just "focus" with an "eye" sound at the end instead of "us", right? I mean it's just the normal Latin pluralization...unless I've been saying it wrong too.

And I learned sidhe was pronounced "she" from The Dresden Files audio books. Still have MASSIVE problems with a lot of the Aztlantian words. I just stumble through them until my roommate pipes up for me. "Az-lan" is how I always say it, but do NOT ask me about the capital city...never gotten that one.



According to Merriam-Webster dictionary, no.

It is pronounced fo-si

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post Aug 19 2010, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE (Abstruse @ Aug 19 2010, 03:23 AM) *
Foci is just "focus" with an "eye" sound at the end instead of "us", right? I mean it's just the normal Latin pluralization...unless I've been saying it wrong too.

And I learned sidhe was pronounced "she" from The Dresden Files audio books. Still have MASSIVE problems with a lot of the Aztlantian words. I just stumble through them until my roommate pipes up for me. "Az-lan" is how I always say it, but do NOT ask me about the capital city...never gotten that one.


Try this: Tea no schtit lawn. The sch part is where most people have trouble, I find. Tea as in the drink and lawn as in... well, your front lawn.
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post Aug 19 2010, 03:19 AM
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Tech-no-chit-lin! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That's what I've always just snarkily called it. Sure, I can say Tea-nosh-tit-lan, but I like the sound of Technochitlin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Aug 19 2010, 03:23 AM
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The word 'foci' may be pronounced [fo-kai] or [fo-sai], or [fo-kee] or [fo-see], if you prefer. None of the options are incorrect. The first two are, perhaps, more common than the latter two.
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post Aug 19 2010, 04:52 AM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 18 2010, 10:23 PM) *
The word 'foci' may be pronounced [fo-kai] or [fo-sai], or [fo-kee] or [fo-see], if you prefer. None of the options are incorrect. The first two are, perhaps, more common than the latter two.

See, I always assumed it was the fo-kai option. I'd have to look up the etymology to be sure, but I assumed "focus" was of a Latin root, thus making the plural "foci". Since the only thing that changes between the two in pronunciation is the final syllable, I assumed the "us" would just be changed to "eye". Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Seriously, my roommate is already giving me shit constantly because I pronounce "salmon" as "sal-mon" as opposed to "sam-on". That's how my mother pronounced it and (stolen blatantly from Eddie Izzard) there's a fucking L in it!
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