Psh. Cheater. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Who are you calling a cheater?

Overmodification is subject to gamemaster's approval but not forbidden. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I know, but so is having passers-by give you money. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm just kidding you, it's not like you *need* Ammo Skip or Elec. Firing in the first place. The main idea is a BF revolver, and we all agree that's doable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think you were meant. Go and get him..^^

You don't need Ammo Skip at all according to RAWs but to me it makes perfectly sense. If you want BF on a SA six-gun you need some form of motor for spinning the drum. And with Electronic Firing you don't need another one for moving the hammer as you don't need the hammer at all. In fact Ammo Skip and Electronic Firing should give a discount for the BF mod or come along with it for free.

Haha, careful: logic is a dangerous road. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) You could also say that you should be required to have Ammo Skip and Electronic Firing before the BF mod is even allowed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Incidentally, if it can fire long bursts (6), then it's FA, not BF. Same price, so no matter. We were just talking about this, so I mention it.

Can't you still Short burst with 2 bullets?

You can fire a special 'crap I ran out of ammo' burst, yes. You just use the normal rules for +N bullets. By RAW, this only works for 2, 4, and 5; the Full Burst section is mysteriously missing the 'Not Enough Bullets' paragraph. The obvious 'common sense' rule is to also allow bursts of 7, 8, and 9 (as always, only when the ammo remaining is insufficient). If your weapon doesn't have an ammo capacity of at least 10 rounds, I think the RAW says that you're limited to long bursts (6), but you could also allow (house rule) 'full clip' bursts of 7, 8, or 9.

The Mateba auto-revolver gets by just fine with the recoil energy to advance each round. It would not take THAT much work to make it full auto.



-karma

Touché.



Long burst are FA? - Damn, right! My mistake. Have to change the description of the Mega Warhawk.



There's still a first bullet and my Mega Warhawk has no trigger. - Wait! Electronic Firng! That's it. - Okay, fine. One could dump the Ammo Skip System.

If you make a revolver FA you get a minigun. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

That would be a problem - if you had to advance the first round in order to chamber it and make the pistol ready.

Oh, wait, look, revolvers don't have that problem.

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Well, it'd look like one, anyhow, even if the mechanics are different. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



-karma

Trigger removal just means it fires via command; even with electronic firing, there's no reason the first bullet is a problem.

I think he was referring to having to chamber the first round in regular semi-autos.

For revolvers, even automatic ones, this isn't a problem because all the rounds are chambered by default.



-karma

I'm just pointing at the trigger removal (no effect on firing mechanism) and electronic firing (no effect on trigger) have nothing to do with anything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Damn, I had a little problem with editing the post. The point is: You have to clock the hammer or you can't fire a revolver (in fact any gun at all). Without a trigger you can still do it with your thump if it's a revolver but you can't release the hammer for the first shot. - Unless it's a smartgun. And if you have Electronic Firing you don't need a hammer at all.

Okay, now you have a BF revolver without a trigger and hammer. The first round is fired electronically via smartlink and the recoil spins the drum. - No need for the Armo Skipp System, fine. Only 6 mod slots needed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Huzzah! Except go ahead and make it FA, so you can fire all six when 'needed'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) This weapon is hilarious. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Wouldn't a burst fire mode on a 6 shooter mean you're out of ammo after 2 'shots?' Great if you hit but it seems very risky.

Just carry a bunch of them and quick-draw new ones every action phase. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Making them full auto and holding one in each hand means two long bursts each action phase which are more powerful than assault rifles (but with shorter range). Recoil is a problem of course but one could counteract a bit with gyro-stabilization (in cyberhands) and/or a high strength (if the optional rule is used). And it would be pretty bad-ass to fire 6-shot bursts from revolvers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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That's the drawback of DV 8, AP -2. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Wow, I never even thought about dual-wielding 2 BF revolvers... I must say I like the idea. My original intent was to have a a variation of the gun adept from the book. 2 Colt Manhunters with all the little tricks as the main weapons and a BurstFire revolver as the "oh-crap" weapon when facing off against some heavily armored Arnie-Awesome cybered troll.

Like Lassiter in Riders of the Purple Sage?

RL I owned a Mataba Uniqua, a wonderful semiauto revolver- yeah the sort of gun Togasa used in Ghost in the Shell. The plus side is that is was the most accurate handgun I've ever used and had no appreciable recoil, the mechanism.

The down side it was frakking huge. The guys at the range called it the "Italian monster." It would be hard to conceal. I couldn't see carrying it concealed ever and I have gotten away with a .357 magnum with a 4 inch barrel in a hip hiolster under a long coat. the other problem with them is they had a lot of moving parts. Sure any semi auto will but the revolver adds a whole other set of mechanics instead of just a spring in the mag. Any grit in the weapon would lead to a misfire and jams and this included the stuff it was throwing out itself. I would also get hands that were BLACK from the powder spraying. this is why the Fosberry never really caught on in WW1 when the colt semi did.

So it is big and accurate but finiky. DLN's husband likened it to an expensive mistress. Wonderful to have but frustrating. We both want to know what he is using as a base for that.

I like that Hatamoto weapon that fires that 1 shot shotgun round. Maybe I should use that as my take-down weapon. I still like the idea of a burstfire heavy revolver.

See, I really dislike that Hatamoto one. Maybe it's just the hideous concept art, or maybe I just can't deal with a single-shot firearm that's not a rocket launcher, but it seems so under-designed. Hell, they could at the very least give it two barrels (like the PJSS). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It's not even very cheap!

Hmm. A giant *two* shot 'pistol' might be neat. Granted, that's effectively what the BF-revolver is, but there's a difference in terms of style. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yeah... whoever drew it did make it look like crap. Plus, I agree that if I was going to have some kind of uber-last ditch weapon that had limited ammo, but each shot was a kicker, I should get some kind of double barrel derringer or something that's has 2 mini-missiles or rockets or something. Something that would make the weapon worthwhile to shoot even if it only had 1 - 2 shots.

Hence why I thought of the idea for the burstfire revolver. I'd get 1 or 2 shots off of it, but each 1 would be a tremendous hit and knockdown whatever was charging at me.