As I have said I might have read more into it then I needed to, I'm quite open to the fact that things can be read in different ways at different times. I do find the assumption I'm trying to find reasons to not like something and running off to tell people abit rich though, someone quotes me from before the forums even opened and I answered honestly.

I am still concerned as the new board have not built up any good will so far. Thats the funny thing about being concerned about something, sometimes you need to just show your not being a ass and the new board has not had time to do so. Hell I'm on the board trying to add stuff when I have something worth while to say, giving them time to show how they will behave and change my first impression.

There's a difference between being told that a place is harshly moderated and seeing a mod say, "ha! If I make an oopsie ban, no one will care!"

On the other hand, moderators are people too. But I cut a fair more amount of slack to boards run by fans than I do company boards, for anyone at Catalyst that's paying attention.

The last place I want to hang out is another hippie dippie happy feelie "the mods are supposed to be robots without souls!" crap I see on other boards. This place? Perfect for me. Most other roleplaying websites? Dead silence.

I don't know what my point is, really.

Raven: I've only kinda been following this, but did one of the mods at the SR4 Boards actually say something like that, or is that from somewhere else?

For the record, yes, it's something Hellbie said. Here's the exact quote, so everyone can see just how sinister it is:


So, yeah. There you go, kids. Watch out, the jackbooted thug admins over on that nasty over-moderated official forum are totally out to get you.

To those that insist there's no "community" over on the SR4 boards...well, number one, whose fault is that? Come post and make one. Don't be a wallflower and then complain no one's dancing. And number two? The place has had almost 6,000 posts in about two weeks. That's not real shabby, all things considered. When you consider that it's a time of year when an awful lot of people are going back to school, how many posts do you want from the place, and how quickly, in order to be satisfied it's a "community?"

Very sinister.

I mean, I don't really care, personally. I'd rather people don't come than show up over there just being all emo and angry about The Man, or something. If you don't want to go, don't go. If you don't want to participate, don't participate. Obviously.

But please don't not participate and then spread rumors and accusations, to try and keep other people from going, or participating, all while complaining there's no real "community" over there. That's just silly.

Furthermore with all due difference to the modding staff here it's not like there haven't been some abuses of power around these parts. Out and out banings are few and far between and even those are not greeted with universal acclaim.

6000 posts in two weeks? Are you being serious or is that a little over exaderation (sp) ?

Here's the current post count/member count tagline from the main page of the SR forums:

I believe the forums went live and open to all on September 3, and a glance at the "statistics" page of the forum seems to confirm that. So, yeah. Almost 6,000 posts in about two weeks.

And -- genuinely not trying to be a jerk, really -- the spelling is "exaggeration." Just so you know for next time, because knowing is half the battle! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

Hmmm, maybe I will pop over there, as here has been a little stale over the last few weeks, maybe with an 'official' forum, I might actually be able to find some new players, as I've always struggled with that.

Haha, thanks, its just one of those words I cannot for the life of me, remember how to spell.

That's about 10 postings per member in 2 weeks . .
now compare this to here, where some people get 10 postings per hour . .

Until you factor in that 4 of the 18 pages of users on the member list have less than 10 posts apiece. Trust me, Stahl, there are plenty of posters over there who post just as much as the "some people" you're alluding to over here on the DS side of things. Whether throwing out quantity, instead of quality, of posts is something worth bragging about is another question altogether.

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This is turning into a nitpickey, lame, argument. My overall point is that those forums are young, those forums are still growing, and that people sitting here at Dumpshock and talking about how those forums lack a "community" -- when they're a whopping two weeks old -- is a little silly. It's like calling a baby stupid, or a sapling weak.

What's more, it creates...or rather inflames...a split in the community that doesn't need to be there. There's nothing to be gained, and quite a bit to be lost, by people choosing to only visit one forum over the other, or squatting in one forum and talking crap about the other.

Seriously. If we're going to sit and make fun of another forum, lets go to war with the Cyberpunk 2020 forums or the WotC D&D forums or something worthwhile. Civil Wars are a mite self destructive.

Bull

Sorry, I'm only visiting forums where I can tolerate the signal:noise ratio.

I don't mind silly. I do mind complete lack of signal. The official forums had a shot at being a high signal forums due to access to developers and paid moderation. They chose chat room instead. It's a perfectly valid choice but I don't feel I'm losing anything by not continuing to go there.

No, don't go to war with any CP2020 forum (if there are any remaining at all). CP2020 fans have taken the worst punishment there is in the world (v3). It's not nice to hit those who have suffered so greatly.

Suoq: Isn't it a little early to judge that?

No. After two weeks it's not too early to judge it's current condition and decide that I have better things to do with my time. I feel perfectly free to not continuing to play at a table I don't enjoy. I feel perfectly free to not keep dating someone I don't have anything in common with. I feel perfectly free to not watch TV shows that do nothing for me or to leave a bad movie quietly or to go get a different job.

I'm not telling anyone else not to go and enjoy the place. I'm just not going to buy into anyone's belief that I'm obligated to go if I've been there. It's a casual place to chat. The users like it as a casual place to chat. I have no need of another forum that's a casual place to chat. Heck, if there was an elitist jerks version of dumpshock, I'd probably be reading there instead of posting here, at least until I got smart enough to contribute there.

There is no way we are going to get anyone *new* from the CP2020 forums. The refugees have already come here and pressed for a less fantastic Shadowrun. That happened about 8 years ago Bull.
Do you not read the reports that we in Counter-Intelligence put out? Through counter-intel, we can identify potential trouble-makers.... and neutralize them.

All this talk of Jack booted thugs, without reference to which boots. For my work, as a Jack Booted Thug, I choose Matterhorn
Matterhorn boots

BlueMax

This hit the nail on the head...

And for the record, the Mods over on the offical forums are not paid. Perhaps you should get your facts striaght asking questions before posting garbage.

I would so go to war with someone elses forums. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

(As a side note about post count on the official forums 5,000 of those were from Fastjack....ok I'm exaggerating...alittle.)

I did go over to the "official" site and post a couple times but response was underwhelming. At least here I get responses, even if they are "your wrong", lol.

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By the way, you are wrong (just so you get used to it).

I'm assuming the "paid" and getting facts straight bit is a response to
My point there is that the official forums had access to developers and access to paid moderation. I didn't say the moderators are getting paid. If that's how you read it, my apologies. I believe the company had a choice and the official forums, as they are now, are a result of that choice. If that choice was between no forums, forums they couldn't afford, and a large chat room for fans, well, they've made their choice. It's their choice to make. For all I know they've made the right choice for them and if so, then all is well and good.

As for whatever garbage I'm posting, let me know more specifically and I can either stop posting it or stop posting.

Or if it was directed my way, I was talking in general terms, not specific.

So we've got some people complaining the place has no community and the moderators are jackbooted thugs who abuse their power, and others complaining it's under-moderated and just feels like a friendly chat room. Proof, ladies and gentlemen, that you just can't win.

So, anyways. Those that want to, come on by, hang out, talk Shadowrun, discuss rules/errata/announcements, do whatever floats your boat. If you're not interested, you're not interested.

But, in all sincerity, it would be great for this whole thing not to turn into some silly "us vs. them" fort-up mentality. No one wins, when a community -- especially a community as small as fans of a given game -- turns against itself.

Observing and deciding that it's not to one's taste isn't complaining.

I love sushi. I don't insist my friends eat it. I don't insist they try it. I'm not offended if they don't choose to come with me when I go out to eat sushi. I understand why it's not for them because I don't get upset when they tell me why.

Forums are like food choices. Some forums I read. Some forums I actively participate in. Some forums I ignore, even if my friends like them. I don't feel I'm under any obligation to use or enjoy the new official forums and I don't feel they're under any obligation to change their forums to make them appealing to me.

In the words of Fastjack in Dumpshock Data Haven: "We both have our reasons for handling things as we do, and neither is incorrect".