That falls under 'Jollies', and each invasion of Horrors into the physical plane has had them bereft of tools, instead relying on magic and persuasion to achieve their ends, IIRC.

The sheer scale of their arrival suggests to me it isn't for the lulz, as if they need the energy of badness they're getting from metahumanity to survive in their own dimension. If there's extended time between visits, they need to conserve. That means little activity to husband resources, should they be essential.

That also includes the consolidation of resources from the weak to the strong, tampering down the number.

This could also be a bonus to them, an opportunity to rise in the pecking order, rather than a necessity. [sarcasm] Maybe our astral presence is for them the equivalent of a flock of pink plastic flamingoes and a well in old tires on the lawn in a posh neighborhood and they send their lawyers to remove something that offend their sensibility ? [/sarcasm]

We don't even know how times flows in their home when compared to our world. Like insects spirits, we're pretty much in the dark about their motivations for doing what they do.

Insect Spirits are easy:
Feed, multiply, repeat.

Pretty much this, they show all the hallmarks of a species that has stagnated, they actually seem to rely on individually weaker species to gain status (Named Horror / unnamed). they also from what definitive anwers earthdawn gives are very rigidly specialized creatures. Theyare, in point of fact, bug spirits 2.0 and that is scary but not an endgame for metahumanity

Then they're in for a surprise, but until then, they go for the same old reason.

I'd probably have one of my Character's go out for some "Really Big Game Hunting".

And, um, Polar Bears have winter camo.

Yeah, good catch there, CanRay.

You see? YOU SEE? THIS IS HOW IT STARTS.

First they get winter camo and the next thing you know they're in your house, drinking your beer and tracking dirt all over the floors.




-k

Naming takes a Name-giver, but not all name-givers are weaker than the vast majority of Horrors (see Great Dragons).

~J

It's still indicative of stagnation, static levels of power, that they require outside influence in that way.

This thread is fucking ancient and storied.

That is all.

Edit: Except that the typo in the title is also older than a good portion of human beings.

It's indicative of not being Name-givers. That doesn't seem to have stopped them yet.

~J

Because that stagnant level of capability was still an order of magnitude above what metahumanity could deal with, the rules have changed since then though.

Actually, I hear that's starting to be a problem in Churchhill, Manitoba...

And, brother, can those bears drink! Which is not surprising, they are Canadian after all, eh?

Forgive me if this has been said, I'm not in the mood to read through the full 52 pages. But aside from hating the idea that Earthdawn and Shadowrun are basically the same just different 'worlds'. We have cyberzombies with a crazy background count. Let's see spirits try and frag with that.

Or send Cyborgs at them.
Wonder if they will even recognize them as "living" beings.

Ristul is background count. CZs just spread him.

~J

No way in hell does SR survive the Scourge. Guns don't help you fight Horrors when the people wielding them are firing at each other instead of the Horrors. Even such a weak Horror as a Despairthought could cause some massive damage with the power of SR weaponry.

Just had a nasty thought of what Bone Crown the Usurper would be up to in Shadowrun. Ugh.

Why would you have your soldiers where a Horror can grab control of them?

Range and firepower are your friends. Those are things that previous ages lacked in quantity.

A Horror that's in your face means you're dead. Don't let it get to that point.





-k

The biggest change, I think, is things like Drones, Indirect fire weaponry on a truly frightening scale, and other technologies mean if metahumanity is on the watch, the Horrors get hammered, badly.

From a literary standpoint, something called a "Horror" is going to remain horrible regardless of the setting you put it in or who you pit it against.

If Dunklezahn is worried about them, metahumanity has cause for worry.

Don't keep us in suspense.

Horrible does not mean a threat though, I find the sort of person that can willingly torture and kill innocents horrible, I'm not however terrified of them as I'm a very physically fit and well trained fighter with good situational awareness.

Note the "from a literary standpoint" bit. Shadowrun exists entirely as 1. literature and 2. what happens at the game table. The literature on Horrors makes it clear that even Great Dragons consider them a threat.

As a side note, I love meeting invincible people on the internet or in real life. Training and a fit body are all good things, but nothing will prepare you for a human predator. I'm not saying they don't improve your chances with one, I'm just saying that no one is as tough as they think they are.

Agreed, and I'm far from invincible, perhaps my example was poorly chosen but horror does not always equal threat and threat never equates to a sure victor. Alot of things are significantly differant from the last time the Horrors found their way to the earth of Shadowrun and Earthdawn, enough so that one could argue their static methods and stated power leves are insufficient to defeat humanity.