 20th Anniversary Book, Got it? Like it? Hate it? |
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 Mar 12 2009, 06:55 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 5-April 08 From: Ottawa, Canada Member No.: 15,847  |
Just picked up the new PDF, already skimmed the book. I have to say, I find it quite nice. Fairly neat and tidy, I'm looking forward to going through it again with a fine tooth comb soon.
A few nit picks. 1) I wish they'd do a map of more than just North America for the main rulebook. 2) No female trolls in the book that can be easily identified. :\ Other than that though, I love the new tables, showing some of the cultural aspects of the game -- drinks, clubs, media, prices. Well done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Mar 12 2009, 07:01 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 30-November 08 Member No.: 16,642 |
yeah, i got the email for the pdf but i'm waiting for the hardcopy. what's the difference between the preorder print and the limited edition preorder print? they're both in full color and have the same content, right? is it just the numbering or does it come with some special cover?
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Mar 12 2009, 07:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 254 Joined: 23-November 07 Member No.: 14,331 |
Got it. love it.
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Mar 12 2009, 07:12 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (Roy Fokker @ Mar 12 2009, 08:01 PM)  yeah, i got the email for the pdf but i'm waiting for the hardcopy. what's the difference between the preorder print and the limited edition preorder print? they're both in full color and have the same content, right? is it just the numbering or does it come with some special cover? quick guess, special cover. notice how the battlecorp shop do not have a cover photo for it, while they do for both the pdf and the non-limited version. would not be the first time btw, each time a new major release/update of SR have come, there have been a limited edition with a special cover. thats where the BBB acronym have come from. SR1 and SR2 had a blue cover for its limited edition, and SR3 had a black cover. this all from memory btw. |
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Mar 12 2009, 07:25 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
I only have the original BBB on PDF, I think I will have to pick up a hardcopy of the 20th Anniversary. I'm assuming that it has all the errata in it.
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Mar 12 2009, 07:34 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 52 Joined: 12-February 09 Member No.: 16,869 |
I am confused, starting with the fact that the @ I got had a broken link to prgdrivethrough site. How many editions are there? Is this an offer for the pdf-only, or for both the pdf and the printed book? The not-discounted price on rpgdrive suggests printed edition (since its the same price as the battleshop pre-order of normal edition), but the description on drivethrough states its a pdf (and the discounted drivethrough shop price is equal to the price of the battlecorps pdf...). Seems like a mess from inside one of the SR books, sigh :>
I'd also like to know if the difference between the limited and normal edition is limited to just the cover (i.e. why is this more expensive then this? |
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Mar 12 2009, 07:56 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
QUOTE (piotrus @ Mar 12 2009, 03:34 PM) I am confused, starting with the fact that the @ I got had a broken link to prgdrivethrough site. DriveThru changes URLs when a product goes from staging to live, and I didn't realize that. All links to DTRPG should be correct, now. QUOTE Is this an offer for the pdf-only, or for both the pdf and the printed book? DriveThruRPG only sells files, not print + file bundles. Anything on DriveThru from us is electronic only. QUOTE I'd also like to know if the difference between the limited and normal edition is limited to just the cover (i.e. why is this more expensive then this? The limited edition is, well, limited. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) They've individually numbered and will have a fancy [not finalized] cover. |
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Mar 12 2009, 07:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 17-February 09 Member No.: 16,888 |
How much is this going to cost and when will it be out?
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Mar 12 2009, 08:03 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,532 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Calgary, Canada Member No.: 769 |
QUOTE (piotrus @ Mar 12 2009, 12:34 PM) I am confused, starting with the fact that the @ I got had a broken link to prgdrivethrough site. How many editions are there? Is this an offer for the pdf-only, or for both the pdf and the printed book? The not-discounted price on rpgdrive suggests printed edition (since its the same price as the battleshop pre-order of normal edition), but the description on drivethrough states its a pdf (and the discounted drivethrough shop price is equal to the price of the battlecorps pdf...). Seems like a mess from inside one of the SR books, sigh :> I'd also like to know if the difference between the limited and normal edition is limited to just the cover (i.e. why is this more expensive then this? I have no idea what you are asking in the first part of your question... It's still Shadowrun 4th edition... You can buy the PDF version, the 'normal' version or the Limited Edition version or any combination of that. This gets you the LE and the 'normal' version, no PDF. This gets you the LE and the PDF. This is the LE alone. This is the regular edition alone. This is the regular edtion and the PDF. and last but not least, This is the PDF by itself. Just for reference the 4th ed collectors edition (the original one) is bound in faux leather with silver text on the cover. It is also numbered 1-1000 (mine is six hundred and something). The contents inside are identical but the paper is slightly higher quality. It's more expensive because it is a limited edition with a print run of 1000 copies. If you're a collector the LE is nice to have on your shelf but the text inside is identical. It costs more (I suspect) because it costs a great deal more per book to do a 1000 copy run vs. a run of 10,000 or even 5000. That and since it is designed to appeal to the collectors market people will pay more. |
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Mar 12 2009, 08:06 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
QUOTE (TheForgotten @ Mar 12 2009, 03:59 PM) How much is this going to cost and when will it be out? The regular edition is 45; the PDF is 25; the special print edition is 65. Various bundles are available and buying them gives you a discount on the PDF. The PDF is available now, the street date for the print edition has not been announced yet. |
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Mar 12 2009, 08:09 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 30-November 08 Member No.: 16,642 |
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 12 2009, 03:12 PM) would not be the first time btw, each time a new major release/update of SR have come, there have been a limited edition with a special cover. thats where the BBB acronym have come from. SR1 and SR2 had a blue cover for its limited edition, and SR3 had a black cover. this all from memory btw. i always thought that BBB meant big black book or black bordered book, both of which apply to my standard first printing copy of SR4. what does it mean since it seems that there is a version i don't know about? @Adam: will the 20th anniversary edition be available through regular channels? (i.e. the FLGS) if so, how much will it cost? i'd prefer to support both catalyst and the store with each SR purchase. |
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Mar 12 2009, 08:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 5-April 08 From: Ottawa, Canada Member No.: 15,847 |
What's the ISBN for the limited edition? My wife works at an indie book store, and I'd like her to order it for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Mar 12 2009, 08:15 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
QUOTE (Roy Fokker @ Mar 12 2009, 04:09 PM) will the 20th anniversary edition be available through regular channels? (i.e. the FLGS) if so, how much will it cost? i'd prefer to support both catalyst and the store with each SR purchase. Yes, both the regular [$45] and limited edition [$65] will be available in stores. We don't discount printed books on our online store. |
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Mar 12 2009, 08:16 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
QUOTE (Tashiro @ Mar 12 2009, 04:13 PM) What's the ISBN for the limited edition? My wife works at an indie book store, and I'd like her to order it for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I don't have that info handy; it won't be retailers systems quite yet. Will post it when I know it. |
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Mar 12 2009, 08:46 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
so may I assume that all the errata from 4th edition has been corrected? I may end up ordering one.
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Mar 12 2009, 08:55 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,336 Joined: 24-February 08 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico Member No.: 15,706 |
I, personally, want it but am hesitant to order it, seeing as how there is a fairly obvious typo on the Skill chapter preview page 2...
Edit: Something like this should really have thorough proofing before release - especially on the preview pages. |
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Mar 12 2009, 08:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,336 Joined: 25-February 08 From: San Mateo CA Member No.: 15,708 |
QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Mar 12 2009, 01:55 PM) I, personally, want it but am hesitant to order it, seeing as how there is a fairly obvious typo on the Skill chapter preview page 2... Edit: Something like this should really have thorough proofing before release - especially on the preview pages. I disagree. The preview pages should get no more attention. My hope is that its not yet off to the printers and that the DS community can give fast feedback so that the first Errata is only issued against the PDF. Hey, I am a dreamer you know. |
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Mar 12 2009, 09:03 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,141 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 2,048 |
I read through the skill preview pages twice, I could not find even a typo.
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Mar 12 2009, 09:04 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
QUOTE (Roy Fokker @ Mar 12 2009, 02:09 PM) i always thought that BBB meant big black book or black bordered book, both of which apply to my standard first printing copy of SR4. what does it mean since it seems that there is a version i don't know about? BBB = Big Bad Book This works as the Core book tends to be twice the size of all the other books out there. |
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Mar 12 2009, 09:06 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Mar 12 2009, 04:55 PM) I, personally, want it but am hesitant to order it, seeing as how there is a fairly obvious typo on the Skill chapter preview page 2... Edit: Something like this should really have thorough proofing before release - especially on the preview pages. It did have a very thorough proofing; moreso than any Shadowrun book Catalyst or FanPro has ever released. Proofers are only human, however, and "many eyes make bugs shallow" often holds true in the printed word. So fill me in, and it will get fixed. |
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Mar 12 2009, 09:07 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,336 Joined: 24-February 08 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico Member No.: 15,706 |
QUOTE (Chrysalis @ Mar 12 2009, 02:03 PM) I read through the skill preview pages twice, I could not find even a typo. QUOTE The number of doses (for drugs/ toxins) or kilograms (for explosives and other chemicals) produced is determined by the equipment used, as noted on Chemistry Tools Table. QUOTE DOSES PER KILOGRAM I found it because the table confused the fuck out of me, so I read the description to figure out what it meant. It should be DOSES OR KILOGRAMS. Edit: QUOTE (BlueMax @ Mar 12 2009, 02:58 PM) I disagree. The preview pages should get no more attention. My comment was from a business standpoint - the end goal is to sell the product, which does not go over as well when the first thing you show has errors in it. |
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Mar 12 2009, 09:13 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
It will appear as "DOSES / KILOGRAMS" in the print edition, matching the table from p. 79, Arsenal.
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Mar 12 2009, 09:13 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,336 Joined: 24-February 08 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico Member No.: 15,706 |
That works.
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Mar 12 2009, 09:18 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,336 Joined: 25-February 08 From: San Mateo CA Member No.: 15,708 |
QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Mar 12 2009, 02:07 PM) My comment was from a business standpoint - the end goal is to sell the product, which does not go over as well when the first thing you show has errors in it. This is in fact true. I was in my idealist mode. BlueMax "From a Corporate standpoint we hope people eat NERPS even if they provide no nutrition" |
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Mar 12 2009, 09:22 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
QUOTE (Adam @ Mar 12 2009, 03:06 PM) It did have a very thorough proofing; moreso than any Shadowrun book Catalyst or FanPro has ever released. Proofers are only human, however, and "many eyes make bugs shallow" often holds true in the printed word. I always loved Linus' Law. |
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