Costs for a hospital grade breast pump

Costs for a hospital grade breast pump, Single mothers on the run.

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Wounded Ronin

Feb 15 2006, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE (nezumi @ Feb 14 2006, 09:46 AM)

Keep in mind also, nipple stimulation could be artificially induced through the DNI interface. It really might be more space efficient to do away with the nipples altogether and simple have the device send constant, low level signals analagous to nipple stimulation. When nipples are being used for their secondary purpose, the partner could simply turn up the level of intensity (perhaps through a remote control?) and can then use his or her ~~hands~~ lipsfor other matters.

Fixed.

I don't think most people would be hapy about having their nipples amputated. They're both decrotive and functional and they have great enterainment value.

You can replace the penis with a mechanical pump and DNI stimulation, too, but most people who have them aren't clammoring to cut theirs off.

Of course, Shadowrunners aren't most people. They are a fringe element and fringe elements do wierd theings. Certainly, nipples present a problem for some 'ware. Dermal Sheathing, orthoskin and cybertorsos would certainly replace the nipples. With orthoskin, it migh tbe possible to grown an armored organic replacement nipple, but it wouldn't be nearly as sensetive as an original.

Dermal sheathing and cybertorsos would have to be dealt with more creativly. Cybernipples, perhaps. With optional micropumps they would eleminate the need for a implanted breastpump, certainly.

CALLED SHOT TO THE NIPPLES!

(Don't laugh. A double finger strike to the nipples is the first move in a certain kungfu set known as "Jet Kun.")

Liper View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 03:38 AM Post #77
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885	you know the real answer to this is? Kidnap a prego and user her milk until your kid is grown.

Wounded Ronin View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 03:51 AM Post #78
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383	Now that really sounds like hentai anime of some kind. I'll bet it's poorly drawn but costs $60 for one VHS.

hyzmarca View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 05:44 AM Post #79
Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456	I'm afraid that this is the point where the topic begins to degrade towards SURGEd cowgirls and the underground milk industry.

Liper View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 06:50 AM Post #80
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 24-October 05 Member No.: 7,885	as for the cyber milker, I see no reason to have one to be honest. a mechanical pump would likely result in the same process and be infinatly cheaper and essence friendly

hyzmarca View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 10:53 AM Post #81
Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456	Well, there is still the issue of dermal sheathing and nipples. Dermal sheathing replaces your skin. The nekkid lady with full-body dermal sheathing in Cybertechnology's artwork doesn't have any nipples. The logical conclusion is that dermal sheathing does remove the nipples. Thus, a cyberreplacement would be necessary for runners who have dermal sheathing yet want to breastfeed or simply enjoy their nipples recreationally. While the cyberpump is probably impractical, there seems to be some use for it in one form or another.

nick012000

Feb 15 2006, 11:07 AM

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Well, there is still the issue of dermal sheathing and nipples. Dermal sheathing replaces your skin. The nekkid lady with full-body dermal sheathing in Cybertechnology's artwork doesn't have any nipples. The logical conclusion is that dermal sheathing does remove the nipples. Thus, a cyberreplacement would be necessary for runners who have dermal sheathing yet want to breastfeed or simply enjoy their nipples recreationally.

While the cyberpump is probably impractical, there seems to be some use for it in one form or another.

...

Please tell me she still had her crotch intact. *winces*

hyzmarca View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 11:29 AM Post #83
Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456	The way she's standing its impossible to tell. That area is hidden by the shadows of the thighs. If she had Ruthenium sheathing it does pose a question. "Hey look", says the security guard to his friend, "a floating vagina."

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Feb 15 2006, 12:04 PM

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The way she's standing its impossible to tell. That area is hidden by the shadows of the thighs. If she had Ruthenium sheathing it does pose a question.

"Hey look", says the security guard to his friend, "a floating vagina."

Well, she could have gotten a ruthenium bikini...

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Feb 15 2006, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 15 2006, 05:53 AM)

Well, there is still the issue of dermal sheathing and nipples. Dermal sheathing replaces your skin. The nekkid lady with full-body dermal sheathing in Cybertechnology's artwork doesn't have any nipples. The logical conclusion is that dermal sheathing does remove the nipples. Thus, a cyberreplacement would be necessary for runners who have dermal sheathing yet want to breastfeed or simply enjoy their nipples recreationally.

This would seem like the only practical application of this technology; a patient that has enough invasive hardware already installed to require augmentation for the breast to even function. Otherwise, it's just a lot of surgery with little payoff; a mother that's "on-the-go" enough that she doesn't have time to pump likely doesn't have time to feed the kid, period. And an external, non-surgical pump would be as functional, if not more so, than an internal one. (Not to mention, most people are pretty attached to their secondary sexual organs, and aren't going to be likely to want to stick all kinds of plastic and metal in them.) It just seems like the demand for this kind of item would be so miniscule that it'd have to be a custom "boutique" job, and a high-ticket one at that.

On another note, has anyone thought about corporate creches (basically round-the-clock group daycare, from cradle to adulthood), surrogate mothers, and the occupation of "brood mare" in the 60s? (See the book "Friday" by Robert Heinlein, which all of you should be reading anyway - classic "dystopian near-future" sci-fi.) The "mommy for hire" game could have all sorts of permutations in the Sixth World. For one thing, what corporate suit is going to want to carry around an extra 30 pounds or so, ruin that gym-toned figure, miss important board meetings, and endure the discomfort of labor when you can just farm out the job? And who has time to raise the brats, anyway - especially when the corporation pays competent professionals to do the job? A person could make a substantial living popping out babies for the well-to-do. (Quite a few do, now!)

Quite a few opportunities for ransoms, extractions, that kind of fun, if you're "morally flexible." Or, get a good fake SIN and a job at the corporate daycare - kids pick up all kinds of random information from their parents (little pitchers, big ears, and all that), which they'll then repeat to anyone who'll listen. (Ok, what's daddy's password, again? Slowly, now, there's a NERPS for Kids in it for ya!)

Oh, and by the way, we're all seriously going to hell for this thread. *shudder*

Nyxll View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 05:05 PM Post #86
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 404 Joined: 22-June 05 From: Canada eh! Member No.: 7,455	I figured in the future, that there would be genetic clone milk machines, so the exec's wives that either have trouble or are too busy to nurse can still make sure their baby gets the antibodies and nutrition it needs. Some execs would probably just buy the iron fortified breast milk for their soycaf.

tisoz View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 08:35 PM Post #87
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Feb 15 2006, 10:19 PM

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I could see a milk factory comprised of clones.

This thread begs for Prescott art.

Yeah. His patented Boob Gauge ™ would be a nice feature to concider for the cyber breast.

Wounded Ronin View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 10:42 PM Post #89
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383	Hmm, well, if you think about it, the most sensible thing to do from a protection standpoint with dermal plating and ruthenium would be to amputate the penis or breasts, wall up the vagina, and so forth, right? I mean, it kind of makes you wonder why Anna Navarre from Deus Ex apparently has breasts. If her torso is robotic, why even include them? My guess is that maybe it has something to do with the psychological soundness of cybered people. Perhaps the genitals are left intact, as a weak spot in the dermal armor, because the soldier/agent not going insane and becoming erratic are more important than armor in that one spot. Thoughts?

Kagetenshi View Member Profile	Feb 15 2006, 11:32 PM Post #90
Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802	Also familiarity and identity. Certainly some people can manage to be identified as female despite having nothing noticeable in the way of breasts, but it helps. ~J

nick012000 View Member Profile	Feb 16 2006, 03:50 AM Post #91
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398	That, and even cybermonsters might want to have kids some day. ;)

Comrade Ogilvy View Member Profile	Feb 16 2006, 03:57 AM Post #92
Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 26-January 06 Member No.: 8,194	Not to moot the conversation or anything, but a single mother probably wouldn't have dermal sheathing or any discernable cyberware, if only because such a thing would make it pretty obvious she was doing something shady. Plus, what child wants to hug their mother and feel a slab of rigid granite? I can almost guarantee that a mother would just use a lined duster or something, maybe something a little weightier. But not combat-specific cyberware.

hyzmarca View Member Profile	Feb 16 2006, 04:59 AM Post #93
Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456	Dermal sheathing isn't very obvious unless you have the ruth flashing different colors or you flash your safe for broadcast TV boobies at someone. Even then, it is less obvious than dermal plating. However, you are ignoring the possibility that the mother may be a combat monster by profession, possibly even before becoming pregnant. I'm sure that Beatrix Kiddo would have had some heavy duty cyber if she wasn't already an Adept with a prodigious magic rating. I can't even count all of the of movies books, and, ect. that deal with a female combat monster earning a hunted flaw because her maternal instincts kicked in at an inopportune moment. It is cliche at this point. For a more dystopian and realistic scenario, consider a female teenage ganger who is so desperate for real love and affection that she intentionally gets pregnant because, like most teenagers, she has babies confused with puppies. This is a scenario that happens far too often in reality, with girls who feel alienated and unloved having babies because they feel that children will give them the love that they crave. Now, the baby comes and the ganger suddenly comes to the conclusion that she does not have the resources necessary to take care of a baby. None of her gangmates want to take care of a baby and the potential fathers are staying as far away as possible. She ran away from the only family she had because of brutal physical abuse and has no desire to subject her child to that. Because she is SINless the closest she can come to putting the baby up for adoption is give it to a bunraku parlor that caters to nepiophiles. When she learns that the triad her gang is affiliated with is sending someone down to pick up drug money that the gang owes she sees her chance. She kills the triad's courier and takes the money for herself, vanishing into the night with her baby. But, the money isn't enough. It can get her a fake SIN and a new start but it won't maintain a lifestyle for long and it won't keep the triad from finding her. She has only two useful skills, shooting people and fragging. Her skill at fragging leaves her in grave danger of rule-of-oneing the act but she can shoot straight so she looks for work shooting people. She gets in a little over her head doing wetwork for a fixer with ties to various international criminal orgninzations. As her skill improves, he has her home made dermal plating (just ceramic plates taken from an armored jacked and crudely stuffed under the skin) replaced with alpha grade sheathing, gets her a smartlink, and provides her with many other augmentations. With each improvement, she is sent on more complex and more dangerous missions, of course. Her doesn't pay her nearly as much as she earns but he does subsidize her lifestyle and treat her well. She knows that she can't run from him. He has far more connections and far more power than the triad she double crossed and she knows he wouldn't hesitate to kill her child. She's killed children for him herself. Permenatly retiring is out of the question but she has more than enough to live a comfortable life with her child.

DocMortand View Member Profile	Feb 16 2006, 05:44 AM Post #94
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Feb 16 2006, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 15 2006, 05:42 PM)

Hmm, well, if you think about it, the most sensible thing to do from a protection standpoint with dermal plating and ruthenium would be to amputate the penis or breasts, wall up the vagina, and so forth, right?

I mean, it kind of makes you wonder why Anna Navarre from Deus Ex apparently has breasts. If her torso is robotic, why even include them?

My guess is that maybe it has something to do with the psychological soundness of cybered people. Perhaps the genitals are left intact, as a weak spot in the dermal armor, because the soldier/agent not going insane and becoming erratic are more important than armor in that one spot.

Thoughts?

If you were a mundane shadowrunner and were shopping for armor, given the choice between castrating yourself and buying a cup, what would you choose and why?

I would choose the cup, personally. I'd probably get one that had a giant razor-sharp spike to slice the hands of ninjas who use monkey-grabs-peach. It may be less convient than a fully armored crotch equiped with a retractible spur, but the social advantages outweight the inconviencies.

Most people want sexual relationsips outside for simsense. Healthy human connections are important for grounding an individual and there is no more potent way of making human connections than with human connectors. Plus, there are plent of freudian psycological complication to go along with it.

There may be alternatives, of course, but none are mentioned in SR because the witers and publishers put taste and convience above accuracy and completeness. A Mr. Studd-like replacement may be able to carry heavy armor, for example. Testicles could be pushed back into the abdominal cavity and cooled with artificial mechanisms to remain functional or not for those runners who want to shoot blanks. Dermal Sheathing is artificial skin so it probably has artificial sensations, allowing patients to cover their gentials with it and retain some functionality. The optionas are endless, really.

As for robot breasts, it almost certain has to do with self-image and social reaction. The social reaction to a female cyborg with artificial breasts will be different than the social reaction to a female cyborg with an artificially flat chest. She would seem that much more feminine to onlookers and would be more socially acceptable than a female cyborg that lacked that visual cue. Think of it as the difference in social penalities and concealibility between a generic obvious cybortorso and a beta-grade obvious cybertorso.

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Feb 16 2006, 10:00 AM

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Healthy human connections are important for grounding an individual and there is no more potent way of making human connections than with human connectors. Plus, there are plent of freudian psycological complication to go along with it.

And yet, I don't think shadowrunners that bleed hydrolic fluid really give a rats ass what fruad said, they just know what keeps em alive.

do you really think in a age of bioware, cybernetics, and simsense, bieng able to copulate and ejeaculate is going to be a problem?

Critias View Member Profile	Feb 16 2006, 10:03 AM Post #97
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Edward View Member Profile	Feb 16 2006, 04:04 PM Post #98
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587	Given the world of SR I have to say that there would certainly be a fare number of people that entered the shadows and decided they didn’t care about the loss of there sexual identity. And as logic flows with time there would be a large portion of those that regretted it after the fact. Most would want to keep there external sexual characteristics, functional if possible but still present if not functional. And responsible medical practitioners would encourage this so default cyber wear keeps as much as possible intact, and dermal plating comes with a free cup Edward

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