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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409  |
I just spewed rum and coke all over my keyboard *shakes and fist and falls over*. |
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Jun 19 2005, 08:50 AM
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That's what you get for drinking rum and coke. God is giving you a sign: Drink more clear spirits. |
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Jun 19 2005, 08:57 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
I regret nothing ;) except spewing all over my keyboard. BTW, think we chased Creep off. Kinda sad he was just starting to get good. If he truly lives in Sweden it should be midafternoon, so his absence is iniscusable.
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Jun 19 2005, 09:14 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Maybe his mom has him running errands. :D
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Jun 19 2005, 09:17 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 27-March 05 From: gothenburg, sweden Member No.: 7,243 |
a little queezy there? You should read some Chuch Palahniuk novels (the man behind Fight Club) he has a short novel how he explains very graphical about a guy (true story) masturbates at the bottom at the pool where the intake for the water cleaning pup is, he put's his little anus just over hole and starts to jerk it. after a while when he needs air he starts to go for the surface only to be chased by a redbrownish snake. turns out that the pump has sucked his intestines right out and turned them insideout. the novels is right here http://www.seizureandy.com/stuff/guts.html |
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Jun 19 2005, 09:19 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 27-March 05 From: gothenburg, sweden Member No.: 7,243 |
I'm back, have no fear -.^ it's 11 am here now. leaving for a photoshoot momentarily |
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Jun 19 2005, 09:17 AM
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Amusing, but irrelevant. |
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Jun 19 2005, 10:26 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
Ah, yes, Guts. It was posted on another forum I post on, but I stopped reading it after he got caught with the carrot-dildo. :please:
I figured, if I wanted to read a story about sex, I read some 'lemon' fanfics. Like this. |
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Jun 19 2005, 11:07 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Hey hey -- I've had a couple reports that this thread has crossed the line, and it's certainly strayed way off topic, so either let it die or drag the half-living carcass back on topic, please.
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Jun 19 2005, 11:51 AM
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Let me add that going back to my point, the point is lost in the overuse of graphical descriptions to the detriment of actual substantive character development. Explore all you want about your PC, sure. But the rules help one do that more easily and more effectively within the context of the entire game system than simply storytelling without any frame of reference. Otherwise, it's just using SR as a setting devoid of considerable aspects that make it a unique environment to develop a PC. I think a lot of rollplaying has contributed more to the development of my PCs than just telling stories for the sake of telling stories. Be it a contest of wills, or a PC and group of NPCs staring each other down through just their hearing enhancements penetrating the door separating five armed men, or blowing a stealth roll so badly people three floors up hear you, but later just barely winning a Surprise Test against a NPC with a delayed action by 1 success to drop him at such a short distance that their assault rifle barrels could have touched. |
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Jun 19 2005, 12:26 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
So, really, why the fuck bring this up? I'm curious. What's it have to do, really, with anything you've said? Or are you just trying to show how HARD CORE you are? Why would you "play out" a brutal rape/murder/pedophilia act? What place has it got in a game? What sort of GM, player, and player group would have any sort of desire to sit through that? What sort of game are you playing in, and why? What do you get out of it? Do you wonder what that means about you? And yes, there's a huge difference (both legal and moral/ethical) between the two examples you've given, even in real life (much less the Shadowrunner-riddled streets of the 2060's). A security guard is just doing their job; so is a Shadowrunner. If the security guard is between the 'runner and the 'runner's objective, the security guard gets moved aside or run over (or, at least, that's a common 'runner and PC mentality about it). It's the security guard's fault, in a way, because they're between the 'runner and his food (so to speak). The security guard is armed. The security guard is armored. The security guard is, at least in some fashion, trained to, capable of, and willing to fight back. The security guard's job is to stop/hurt/kill your character. Your character is just doing unto others first. It's something that can very naturally occur during the execution of a standard Shadowrun -- fights happen, and someone ends up dead when/if that fight involves gunplay. Combat is a staple of RPGs, in the same way it's a staple of action movies. Shit happens, and you want to be the guy breathing when it's all over. The double rape/murder/pedophilia commited on a pair of twelve year olds? That has no place in a Shadowrun game, except as something mentioned in passing (and not looked at with too much detail) as something a really psycho batshit piece of crap NPC does (right before the PCs get hired to kill him, or something). That's not something that needs to be "played out" in a game. It's not something a PC should do. It's not something a GM should encourage by offering to run it. It's not something a group of friends sitting at a game table should take part in. It's cruelty for cruelty's sake, adds nothing to a game, and speaks volumes about the psyche and morality of anyone who'd want to "play" it. Even glossed over and not looked into in detail, an act like that should only be handled with a group of gamers who understand there's nothing fun or funny about it, a group that's perhaps worked it's way slowly towards such adult issues in the past, and a group that you're certain -- OOC, here, I don't give two tugs about your characters, just players -- will handle a situation like that the right way. There's no call for it, and the risks of trying to introduce shit like that to a game, in my opinion, far outweigh any sort of benefit you think it can bring to a gaming table. There's a difference between Shadowrun being dark in order to add to the overall feel of the game, and darkness/depravity for darkness/depravity's sake. Having the characters attack the Yakuza in retaliation for a string of white-slave trades (that are mentioned in passing, rather than having a bunch of glossy eight by tens you give to your players over pizza and Mt Dew) can have a place in the game; it lets you know the depravity is out there, it leaves it to each player to think about on their own (if they want to), and it grants the charactes a sense of moral high ground before they start wacking people. It shows them that there might be a difference between being a criminal and being evil, it shows that Shadowrun isn't always a nice place to live, and then it moves on to traditional Shadowrun game play without trying to steal the limelight and show how adult and edgy you are. You've got something wrong with you, something not cool wrong with you, to offer up "playing out" a double rape/homicide on a pair of children as any sort of viable or valid gaming experience. Shadow called you on it. As some sort of childish way to get back at him (I guess?) you felt like describing in detail a morbid, apparently pretty stupid, shock-tastic piece of literature. You're like a twelve year old that wears all black and cusses for no reason. Shock-jock. You're acting like the stereotypical LARPer loser, who gets his jollies "scaring the norms" because nothing else he ever does with his sub-par life gains him any attention or recognition. You, both with your "twin twelve year olds" and your "I'm going to ramble about this gratuitously edgy violent/sexual/mature book for no real reason, to show how cool I am" example, are obviously in the camp that favors being adult for being adult's sake. In addition, you are smug about it, thinking that being adult for adult's sake is better than any other style of gameplay, any other game, any other gamer. You think you're right. You think you're hip. You think you're cool, and we're all kids (regardless of real age, maturity, gaming experience, intelligence, etc). And, most of all, you thought you had to come here and enlighten the unwashed masses. You are, to the core, everything that's wrong with being a WoD fanboy. That's not a compliment, just so there's no confusion. |
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Jun 19 2005, 01:14 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
And you think HE has issues? What do you do that DSF is your 'bastion of sanity'? Creepwood, yeah, Crimsondude was talking about something else. The only people we insult about English is people who were raised on it and can't use spellcheck. You have superb English. I think the point people are getting at is you can have your scenes of gratuitous violence and walk away saying 'yep, I did that. I guess I'm a bad person.' Or you can have long stories about how you consider yourself a good person in a bad situation, fighting for whats right and good, but when the bad guy, a twenty year old in a situation much like your own, refuses to tell you where the hostage is, and you spend half an hour torturing him, mercy-kill him, the rush off and successfully save the day, you have to stop and ask yourself, 'am I really a good person? This guy was also in a bad place, and just trying to get by. Could I have been in his shoes? Was I justified in torturing, TORTURING this guy, so I could save the hostage from a painless death?' Alright, that's a light example, but I think it's believable. The point is, there is a scene of gratuitous violence, the torture. I do lose a little by glossing over it, but really, would have writing it out added much to the questions at the end? Ehhh... Not as much as everything around it. Would doing it 'by the rules' have detracted from it? Not really. So the question is, what is more important in YOUR story telling? Is it the individual scene? Or is it the big questions about self, absolute morality, the balance of lives, good and bad in difficult times? If you did it for the former, well, I guess we're done then. I describe scenes for shock value sometimes as well, I think most of us do. But it's not really substantial. If you did it for the latter, how does this preclude having people who use the rules extensively, or who know how to handle themselves in combat? (Just as a side note, since Storyteller was mentioned, and I know she's so popular... I have read Anne Rice, and I don't consider her a really good story teller. Interview with a vampire was good, but really, the 'help I'm an angsty vampire. I should be vegan, and I'm going to be angsty until the end of time' thing gets old quick. Her characters are mostly static, her stories contrived, her minor characters silly. If you like your stories like hers, well good for you. If you like stories that leave you thinking, pondering deeper philosophies or questioning your own values as a human outside of the game, then we're talking.) (edit: Oh, and sorry about the long-winded run-on sentence earlier. I guess I really am a bad person :( ) |
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Jun 19 2005, 01:51 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Kid must have just turned 21. Can't wait to show how big a man he is. |
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Jun 19 2005, 02:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
Lighten up, man... He's Swedish, they're really liberal about sexuality up there... :S |
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Jun 19 2005, 02:09 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 27-March 05 From: gothenburg, sweden Member No.: 7,243 |
so the setting in Shadowrun isn't unique cyberpunk going mojo and elves? looks pretty unique to me. it's the setting (in most cases) that makes a game unique. (except for maybe amber, where the system is diceless, not a very good game if you ask me) |
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Jun 19 2005, 02:13 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
I find it amusing how everyone but Creepwood acknowledges on what I'm saying to him.
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Jun 19 2005, 02:23 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 27-March 05 From: gothenburg, sweden Member No.: 7,243 |
and again. nezumi s pretty much right on the spot of what I'm trying to say. It's not the shocking value I that is the interresting party, it's the abnormalities that exists in our world. Could you ever OOC have sympathy for a serial killer? (i took one of the most degenerated fictious scenario and describied it to you as an example. (I can really think of way worse fictious scenarious, not pedophilia och sexual at all in the context but just as something as adultery, very interresting topic)) sidenote: I'm not a fan of any of the vampiric fiction. sidenote 2: I do not believe in murdering people be it either the persona or the government (i.e. execution). I just think it's cultural differencies. and as someone else said in this thread that swedes are more sexually liberal, yes probably. I don't believe in saving for marriage, I don't believe in even staying with the same partner for the rest of your live, I don't think there isn't one right person. I'm not leaning towards any religion although someone told me that I have the philosophy of a budhist satanist, I somewhat agree. I thank nezumi for his non deregatory non flaming comments in this thread. |
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Jun 19 2005, 02:25 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 27-March 05 From: gothenburg, sweden Member No.: 7,243 |
I am reading your posts but I choose not to answer them because I think you're answeres aren't answers at all, as I see it you are misreading my posts and answering to something totally different. |
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Jun 19 2005, 02:53 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
how exactly do you "misread" someone suggesting that having your characters rape and murder kids would be good rp? creepwood, your rp sounds pretty shallow, to be honest. you're lightyears behind the worst rp i see at shadowland, and that includes the crap that burns my mind to think about.
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Jun 19 2005, 02:57 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 27-March 05 From: gothenburg, sweden Member No.: 7,243 |
for you the scene and roleplay stopped where my description ended. I'm talking about repurcursions, to the mind (and body by vindictive relatives maybe) You only see exactly what's in front of you, portionfed. You didn't even think past my description. |
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Jun 19 2005, 03:01 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Swordfish mustardball.
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Jun 19 2005, 03:04 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
no, for me, the scene and roleplay are never going to start. therefore, there's no need for me to think past it, except in terms of NPCs. past your description is the only point at which such a scene would enter a game i ran. or a game i'd continue to play in, for that matter.
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Jun 19 2005, 03:08 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 27-March 05 From: gothenburg, sweden Member No.: 7,243 |
It may very well be a cut as well. I just meant that there could be something in the story like this. not neccessarily play it. Although it confirmes my suspicons that many in this forum are not very open minded on 'new things'.
talented ^.^ to all: tell me one thing, does it matter how good you play a realistic (to your skillpoints) dialogue of coercion(?) för exampe. do you always roll a skillcheckroll anyway? what if you were convincing in a RPG dialogue, would it matter? |
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Jun 19 2005, 03:12 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
where the hell did you get the idea that raping and murdering kids was new? it happens all the fucking time, dipshit. people also make their beds and do the laundry all the fucking time, but that doesn't mean anybody wants to rp it. except you, apparently, because you've just discovered the "shock and horror" phase that many young rp'ers go through. the fact that you've been playing RPGs for fifteen years makes this even sicker and sadder than normal.
critias already covered the story options for an event like that. but, oh wait, he "missed the point", right? |
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Jun 19 2005, 03:17 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
What you were suggesting are not only not new but incredibly dated as well. They belong in the section marked "been there, but didn't want to do that". Your provocative ideas had been brought up from time to time by other people crouched in less adversarial and egotistical manners and filed away after due examination as "Sick Ideas". |
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