realism under fire Options

[Fortune]

[Angelone]

I swore to myself I wouldn't respond to this thread. It seems I lack willpower. Creepwood if you aren't a troll (which I doubt) I'll share with you a nugget of wisdom my group passes around "The enemy is whoever's going to get you killed. No matter what side they're on." I hate interparty killing, but if someone's being a detriment in a firefight, like you described, I'll blast em. Sure I could leave them or drag them out, but either of those options cut my chances of survival (they could rat me out, or i could get shot dragging them out). Now if someone's actually useful in a fight I will go to great lengths to get them out of whatever comes up. I expect nothing less from those I play with.

[creepwood]

[Quix]

creepwood, I think one version of the idiom you're looking for would go thus in English: "Do not try to remove the splinter from your brother's eye until you have removed the log from your own."

[mfb]

there's nothing wrong with rp'ing more in combat. i put as much rp as i can into my games at all times, combat included. i happen to feel that a character with high Body, high Will, and a lot of combat experience shouldn't scream like a girl and cower when someone pops a shot off at him--so i don't rp him that way. i use the rules as a basis for my rp. i've got another character who's absolutely terrified of combat; if she ever gets into a firefight (haven't gotten her into one yet), she'll probably act exactly as you described. but if it's not appropriate to the character, then it's silly to try to force it in.

so, in answer to your basic question: yes, i rp combat. i rp it as appropriate to the character.

edit: and when the hell did i call you a noob?

[Angelone]

Since I already replied I will once more. To me if I wanted to play a game where my character wasn't good in combat I'd play in the World of Darkness, where the system is kinder to than shadowruns to survive with such a character. My vision of shadowrun is extremely violent. You're a professional criminal who does bad things for money, your character had better be able to handle themselves. Where in WoD you don't have to be as martially oriented hell you don't have to break human laws at all as a mage (just natures :wobble: ).

[ShadowDragon8685]

I think the idiom he's looking for is "pot calling a kettle black."

And to be fair, several people were the pot calling the kettle black. Especially the postcount elitist snob. That was just sad.

That said, if you truely are a foreigner, then put some more ranks into speaking english, because what we have here is a failure to communicate.

If, however, as I and undoubtedly many others are suspecting, you're playing the "non-English-native" card to try and weasel out of your muchly deserved flaming... Screw you. You come on here and try to Spread the Word. We have another term for that in America. Evangelists. They usually get a door slammed in their faces. Most people want to shoot them.

We are happy as we are. We're not ignorant heathens in need of a Prophet of Light to shine his Light on our ignorant, sinful darkness.

I Like playing as a chica who can outdraw most people with Wired 1 on her own non-wired reflexes, as well as being a martial arts master and a wiz Decker. Skate is a Sammie when she needs to be, and a Decker when she needs to be. She can do both, quite well.

She also is a character. She's very good as a character. Just because she's optimized, because I don't feel like getting her shot up or killed, dosen't detract from her funinity. Far from it, it adds to it, because by optimizing her for combat, I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that she'll live to see the next game's roleplay.
She's not a hardened killer, but neither does she back down. She won't scream and cry and pee her latex hotpants because someone is shooting for her. She's a competent person. She'll perform a wire-fu panache'd Athletics roll behind cover, draw her pistols, and whip out from behind cover under the full speed of her wired reflexes, popping caps in the ass of whoever shot at her.

[creepwood]

[Aku]

[creepwood]

[Penta]

To be fair to Creepwood, that is why they released Missions, Cyberpirates, Fields of Fire/SotA63, etc.

Alternate Campaigns.

[Aku]

No, i ment that as a general rule, thats what the game should be, it's alright, if you come up with an idea, and want to see where it goes;to me, it seems like eVERY game you run is some "variant"

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

[Angelone]

I loved the pirate campaign my group did. I can't count they number of times "We are men, OF THE SEA!!!" was uttered.

We did a ganger campaign, a special forces campaign, one where we were all company men, a X-Files type campaign, and a mercany campaign. The one thing that was similar was that there was always violence. Your campaign does sound interesting Creepwood, but it would for me be very boring. My group isn't all about violence, though, we regularly get on and roleplay what we do during downtime between scheduled sessions, sometimes we do so during scheduled sessions depending on how busy the gm was during the week, and those are fun and funny too, and sometimes more lethal than the actual runs (never let your mages play with lightning spells around the C12). (Insert point I forgot I was trying to make here)

[nezumi]

It's fine that you want to use the system for more than it was meant to play. The game was designed for playing criminals, however, and thusly, most people presume that's the sort of game you're talking about unless you specify otherwise. And since violent criminals are rarely squirmish around guns, it rarely makes sense for them to flinch.

Had you said at the beginning 'do a lot of you play non-standard games with people who aren't violent criminals? Do you play out people who have difficulties firing a weapon, etc.?' You would have gotten a very different response, in part because we know when you're talking about your character having difficulties, your character is non-standard, likely not a criminal, possibly never fired a weapon before. Roleplaying the reactions you said then become not only common, but almost essential, and I suspect a lot of people here would agree. But it's important to specify the unusual characters first.

That said, shadowrun really was made for criminals in a cyberpunk setting. I've used it for a young borgeous (sp?) woman from the late 16th century with some tweaking, but it's really not made for that. You may want to consider using another system in that case, for a number of reasons. World of Darkness was suggested. Otherwise your CEO who's just found himself being shot at by corporate guards is more than likely not going to last five minutes, which makes for a pretty short (and thereby usually pretty boring) game.

[Wounded Ronin]

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

Sounds like he already has.

[mfb]

y'know, creepwood, you might have an easier time of it if you stop being such an ass. you talk about how you're just trying to show people new ideas and not criticizing anybody's style of play, but your fourth post in this thread was calling somebody a munchkin--and you called them that based on a one-sentence post that contained no information of any real value about that person's style of play.

i call bullshit, creepwood. you're not here to enlighten anybody. you're here to pick fights.

[creepwood]

[creepwood]

[mfb]

creepwood, for chrissake. nobody called you a noob. nobody called you a newbie. nobody said, or even implied, that you were new to roleplaying. do you understand that you are making things up? roleplaying seniority had no place in this thread until you brought it up.

[creepwood]

[mfb]

whole different allegation, dude.

[toturi]

Whadda you mean?!?! You mean you got me all worked up because some guy couldn't read right? :D What is the world coming to? Must be a roleplay snob... a roll-playing kind of guy would have read more carefully. :P

[mfb]