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Freelance Elf  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714  |
Hammered and Scardown, by Elizabeth Bear, are both pretty cool. They get a little more sci-fi than cyberpunk in parts (especially the second), but I dig 'em. The third in the set might be out by now, I'm not sure.
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Oct 12 2006, 01:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
Second. Also good for magical street doc types. |
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Oct 12 2006, 01:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
Worldwired, published months ago and mostly sold out at bookstores I've been in. But that's what Amazon is for. Very much scifi and not cyberpunk, though. |
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Oct 12 2006, 01:45 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Unfortunate. The first felt like about a 2:1 cyberpunk:sci-fi ratio. The second one felt like about a 1:2 cyberpunk:sci-fi. I guess it just makes sense that the third would continue the (IMHO) decline. Ah well. I can still dig the first one, though. ;) |
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Oct 12 2006, 02:33 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Oak Ridge, TN, CAS Member No.: 407 |
I'm surprised noone has mentioned Blood Music, by Greg Bear.
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Oct 12 2006, 04:05 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Oh, fine. I mention an author named Bear, and now you have to mention an author named Bear. Stop being such a copycat!
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Oct 12 2006, 04:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 248 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Note Calonna Member No.: 241 |
Svaha by Charles de Lint is an intersting read. My guess is that Shaodowrun was at least partially inspired by it. Its a mix of Native American Magic and High Technlogy
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Oct 12 2006, 07:31 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 19-August 06 From: Austin Member No.: 9,168 |
Transmetropolitan is a damn fine comic - I second that. Any time someone can reprogram their nanomachines to get themselves high is just funny, and things like Phone Traits are so very cyberpunk.
But I can't believe none of you mentioned Rudy Rucker in this list, and Phillip K. Dick only showed up once. |
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Oct 12 2006, 07:51 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Nobody really wants to show Dick too often. ;) |
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Oct 12 2006, 10:02 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
A bunch of the books - especially the anthologies - have short stories by both, or partnerships. |
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Oct 12 2006, 10:10 PM
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Mr. Happy is displeased by that statement. |
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Oct 12 2006, 10:20 PM
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Mr. Happy needs to keep it in his pants. |
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Oct 12 2006, 10:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 12-August 06 Member No.: 9,097 |
Pants are for hippies.
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Oct 13 2006, 04:12 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 16-October 03 Member No.: 5,725 |
Now there's a novel I would never have thought was cyberpunk. [ Spoiler ] Please enlighten me as to your thoughts. |
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Oct 13 2006, 04:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 16-October 03 Member No.: 5,725 |
Solomon Grundy want pants too! |
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Oct 13 2006, 04:17 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I need more Dick, and apparently you need more Dick too. I'd even venture to say that everyone on this board needs a great deal more Dick. As for maturity, well, that can go stuff itself :) ~J |
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Oct 13 2006, 04:19 AM
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Greg Bear is recognized amongst the original cyberpunk crowd, even though his stuff tends to be harder on the sci fi angle (or, occaisionally, the fantasy angle.) You can find the first chunk of Blood Music in The Ultimate Cyberpunk, for example. Really, Greg Bear is a good example of a noted cyberpunk author whose stories don't meet the preconceptions of cyberpunk. |
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Oct 13 2006, 04:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 16-October 03 Member No.: 5,725 |
Ok . . . what about Blood Music was cyberpunk? In my eyes, that particular novel had 0 cyberpunk in it. [ Spoiler ] If Friday is to be excluded from cyberpunk on technicalities, then I would say this novel should be excluded on core issues. |
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Oct 13 2006, 04:44 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
You're not paying attention. Blood Music is primarily considered cyberpunk because the author was an acknowledged cyberpunk author and contemporary of other cyberpunk authors. No, Blood Music (or Petra, for another good example) did not have the 'trappings' of cyberpunk, but it was still cyberpunk because it was recognized as such at the time due to its attitude and approach. Whereas Friday, despite having several of the trappings, did not have the attitude, recognition, or relationship with the acknowledged cyberpunk writers.
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Oct 13 2006, 05:27 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
indeed. Friday had lots of elements that are common to cyberpunk, but it had no punk. the world of Friday would be a good setting for cyberpunk stories--but Friday, itself, wasn't one.
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Oct 13 2006, 05:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 16-October 03 Member No.: 5,725 |
That's not a legitimate reason for considering a novel to be cyberpunk. The contents of the book are the only legitimate things that may be considered when judging the genre and sub-genre of a book. What the author has, or has not done, has nothing to do with it. It's like saying that Aristoi was cyberpunk because Walter Jon Williams is a master of writing cyberpunk. Aristoi isn't cyberpunk, and nothing I know about Blood Music would make me place it in this sub-genre. Nothing in the approach or attitude of Blood Music was cyberpunk, in fact it appeared to me as if the approach and attitude of the book were everything but cyberpunk. -------------------- Also, Blood Music was published quite a few years ago (1985). What other novels had Greg Bear published at that time that made him an acknowledged cyberpunk author in a time when cyberpunk was not yet a fully coined term? Let us examine his prior novel publication history. Psychlone (1978)? Not cyberpunk. Hegira (1979)? Not cyberpunk. Beyond Heaven's River (1980)? Not cyberpunk. Lost Souls (1982) Previously published as Psychlone. Strength of Stones (1982)? Not cyberpunk. The Wind from a Burning Women (1983)? Anthology of shorter stories. The Infinity Concerto (1984)? Not cyberpunk. Corona (1984)? Star Trek novels are not cyberpunk. Eon (1985)? Not cyberpunk. Blood Music (1985). Also, as far as I can tell, not cyberpunk. -------------------- So, Greg Bear as an "acknowledged cyberpunk author"? The available list appears to suggest the opposite. (It may well have come later, but not from the above works.) I admit I know nothing about the stories in the anthology. Are those the stories where he achieved this acknowledgement? |
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Oct 13 2006, 05:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 16-October 03 Member No.: 5,725 |
That's why I refer to it as quasi-cyberpunk (and sometimes forget to add the prefix). |
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Oct 13 2006, 05:29 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
says who? |
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Oct 13 2006, 05:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 16-October 03 Member No.: 5,725 |
Logic and common sense. It simply cannot be considered any other way. Calling a sub-compact a sedan because it was made by Mercedes does not make the sub-compact a sedan. Calling a book cyberpunk when it isn't just because the author is, supposedly, an acknolwedged cyberpunk author (although as far as I can tell he had written no cyberpunk through the publication of Blood Music), is exact the same as mislabeling car types due to manufacturer history. I point to my precisely similar analogy with Aristoi and Walter Jon Williams as additional support. --------------- Oh, and the first novel that appears to be cyberpunk by Gred Bear looks like Queen of Angels (1990). Does anyone have other information? |
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Oct 13 2006, 05:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 16-October 03 Member No.: 5,725 |
And I will ask, specificaly, again: What is it about Blood Music that makes it cyberpunk?
As in, what about the book makes it cyberpunk (pretend the author's name has been obliterated from the book)? |
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