Adepts question! Options

[cybertrucker]

Ok maybe i missed something in character advancement, But when an adept buys up his magic attribute, does he automatically get to pick new powers? Or does he have buy them with karma. I dont have my book in front of me at the moment but when I read over advancement I dont remember seeing a karma cost for adding new adept powers.

Thanks for any response.

[Ophis]

The powers are what the new magic rating does, the cost is subsumed within the cost of increasing magic. ie +1 magic=1 point more powers.

[cybertrucker]

thats what i thought, just seems pretty fast advancement that way. thank you

[The Jopp]

As long as the character doesn't need initiation it is just the cost of his Magic Attribute that needs to be bought. As soon as he needs Initiation he will need Initiation in order to raise his Attribute limit and also pay for the actual attribute increase.

[Mistwalker]

Tryng to raise magic above 6 is expensive
To go from 6 to 7 magic, you need to initiate (13 karma), then raise the attribute (21 karma). So the final price is 34 karma to get one more magic point. As a bonus, you do get a metamagic technique.

I find that 34 karma to get your first magic point increase is expensive.
It goes to 40 karma to get the next one.

I am not sure if we will house rule to the SR3 variant, that once you initiate, you automatically gain a magic point. Will have to see how things play out.

[Butterblume]

I am going to start at magic level 1 (actually 2, but that's where the essence loss through 'ware comes in).

My next magic point will cost 6 karma, and up to magic 5 it will cost 42 karma in total :love:.

[Synner]

Don't forget that Essence loss also reduces your Magic Att cap (Magic + Initiation grade). So knocking Magic down to 1 with cyberware means your new Magic Att cap is 1. To raise that you'll need to initiate before you can buy up your next Magic point.

[Butterblume]

I probably wasn't clear enough, I bought magic 2 at chargen, lost one point due to cyberware, so I am again at magic rating 1.
I know my max magic rating is lowered from 6 to 5, that's the reason why I summed up the cost until magic 5.

[Mistwalker]

Shouldn't your cost to max attribute but 54 karma?
since you need to raise it to 3(2), then 4(3), 5(4) and finally 6(5)?

[Kyoto Kid]

...34 Karma is about 4 - 5 decent runs (avg. 7 - 9 Karma each)

In some ways to house rule or not house rule depends on the frequency of gaming sessions and length of the campaign.

Considering our group meets every 2 - 3 weeks, (trading off GM duties every three or so sessions), it would take a long time [in RT] for an individual character to advance. In this instance I personally would lean towards the "SR3" house rule (or some type of variant). so players could see their characters progress.

[hobgoblin]

or just increase the karma handout.

[Thanee]

And 7-9 Karma seems pretty high for one run, from my experience, anyways.

Of course, if you do not play often, it seems reasonable to up the Karma output.

Bye
Thanee

[hobgoblin]

hmm, forgot about another option.

cash to karma conversion.

sadly they didnt port those rules over to SR4, but as a adept will most often have a higher need for karma then for cash, the gm and adept may agree on some ration of x cash for y karma.

in-game i guess it one could see it as donating money to "good" causes and similar.

[Kyoto Kid]

[Poison]

Also got a question about Adepts. As a spell in the new magic book there is Gecko Crawl. This would be an awesome adept power. How many powerpoints would you people make this power cost for an adept? And how many meters per turn would you allow to move in this way?

[lorechaser]

I'd say 2 points, personally. I base that on the fact that Wall Run and Glider are each 1 point, and this seems to be a level above that.

[Mistwalker]

Or 1 point, but have wall runner as a prerequisite.

[Poison]

Seems like a good amount of pp. Afterall, it is quite powerfull

[knasser]

[Kyoto Kid]

[WhiskeyMac]

How many times have you seen a wet elevator shaft? Or a wet interior wall? Seattle's atmosphere is damp and it does rain a lot (at least in the SR world) but did they get rid of roofs as well? Also, RH mentions that there is a nano-barrier thing to protect against the acid rain, would that help or hinder gecko tape gloves?

[lorechaser]

There are a couple reasons I can think of.

Concealability. No one knows you're the human lizard.
Flexibility. I'd allow the gecko power to apply to any surface, not just the hands.
Self-sufficiency, aka the inevitable "You have no gear, what do you do?"
You have no hands. Either because you're wearing other gloves, or just bad luck....

You could make the same argument about several adept powers, especially enhanced senses. But there's a value to being self-reliant and natural, rather than tech.

There's also a value in tech, which is why I wouldn't get the power. But it's a nice and flavorful option to have.

[knasser]

[Fortune]

[knasser]