Trap Mechanisms, Grimtooth was an evil evil person... Options

[Kanada Ten]

On a metaplane...

[Tal]

Well, sure, if your runners just happen to be in Atlantis or something...

EDIT: Or some other suitably ED relic, though how one would survive so long is beyond me.

[Fresno Bob]

[Tal]

Kaer? What's that?

[Kanada Ten]

Fortresses created during the 4th World to keep people safe from the Horrors.

[Tal]

Magical traps and the like? Bound spirits and other nasty critters?

Sounds like it could make a fun run. Or a suicidial one.

[SirKodiak]

[LordHaHa]

I could imagine a sufficently paranoid runner or random fellow with a lot of free time on his or her hands and have some resources to spare (say, a few million in the bank and owns a small mansion/large house or equivalent) making his bungalow a death-filled slaughterhouse with multiudes of hidden traps, activating them by hitting hidden triggers around the place as it's being raided. If it looked like if an assault on the place would end in the owner's demise, there would always be the coup de grate (sp?) of the classic bolthole-into-a-tunnel-leading-out-of-compound-with-switch-at-end-of-it-that-sets-off-tons-of-explosives-in-the-walls-blowing-up-house-and-guests-and-neighborhood trick.

Oh, and on a possible ED/SR crossover thought: Grimtooth Level-Of-Sadism Traps + Ancient Structure To Explore With Archeology Team + Artificer = Evil GM Fun™.

But I'm a Good GM, and would never consider using THAT idea.

Oh no.

LordHaHa

[mmu1]

[lorthazar]

[Aku]

i smell a smell of that other game...

[LinaInverse]

[Sandoval Smith]

Well, I don't think it's quite as bad as the GM in the Ruthenium thread who, in order to curb player abuse of the stuff, had it give them cancer...

However, what clues are the players given that they must wipe the statues eyes? It's a statue in a fountain, of course it's wet. Wiping it's eye is really not something that would occur to me.

[Weredigo]

A spherical boulder leaves a foot and a half clearance there that most characters should be able to fit into.

Yes this was pointed out to me the other night by one of my players, and so the trap has been changed. The walls are not flat, they curve, no corner, no place to hide.

This is a trap that no one would ever build except a GM, and a GM would only build because they like to kill characters.

Personally I don’t like to Kill Characters, I get a small amount of watching Characters win Darwin awards but rarely will I ever outright Kill a character.

So, you force your players to make Will tests (And fail, I assume... Where do you set the Tn? 12? 18?)

I never give Target numbers any higher then 6, and if they fail tests, only thing they can blame is their luck with the Dice.

Then, you state they're automatically caught by the statue - ever hear of surprise or reaction tests? Escape artist or unarmed combat to resist being grappled?

If they gotta reaction, or quickness of oh say 20 I’ll allow the attempt, and if they were smart enough to start with or purchase Escape Artist as a skill I’d also allow the attempt. Normally however The Statue is definitely Magical as the tears she sheds aren’t pumped into or out of her through plumbing, instead they are produced magically. So if the mage has enough time to study her they might be able to also discern the fact that the statue can also Move. However if any member is greedy or curious enough to touch the bracelet without giving everyone else plenty of time to study … “click”

The Boulder only automatically Kills if the players aren’t able to resist the damage ( fail Body Check)

However, what clues are the players given that they must wipe the statues eyes?

Like I said when I started, whatever game mechanics you wanna add to it, Clues, Safety Switches, Evidence, Go For It. I Usually have some sort of reference to “comfort the widow” or something like that on the treasure map or what have you, usually I reward good moral judgements and punish choices based on the deadly sins. Something I make quite apparent to all my Players.

I don't have to endure such an asinine idiotic GM such as yourself
Love you Too Toots, yeah like everyone else in the entire world I do prefer to be Judged by what others notice from first glance.

[Fortune]

The quote function is your friend.

Other than that ... :please:

[SirKodiak]

[mmu1]

[golden1]

if you're talkinga bout traps that can be used in a SR type environment, you need to remember that the building or environment needs to either be able to determin the difference between friend and Foe, or be able to deactivate the trap at some point. Either Everyone whos supposed to be in the building has a transponder, knows the number for the mag lock, has their bio-metric dats stored... whatever. OR the traps are only active from 5:31pm, (ie, a minute fter everyones; left for the night, ) untill Joe P Security gurard turns up in the morning to unlock.

here's a list of the traps I've used in the past.

Single step Discharge lasers. you have a laser tripwire across a corridor, or door, and when broken, it discharges a full on re-line (or if i'm feeling evil a burst) across the same line. No need to roll to hit... Characters can use either body, OR quickness to resist damage, as resisting in this case, just involves getting the body part in question out of the way fast enough.

Monowire Pendulums. You've all seen "cube". You all know what happens in the first 60 seconds of the film. You know it's messy, but as long as the super corp has put the trap someplace that you CANT possibly have accidentally wondered into, it's not going to be a n issue for them.

Containment doors. This is an idea i actually got from work. to get into the building, department, clean room, server room , whatever, you have to go thru a C shaped revolving door. First you enter a password, or swip a card. the door rotates. you enter. it rotates thru 90 degrees... sealing you into a small space. You then enter a second password/ card and it rotates the next 90 degrees. In my case, as the office in question was supposed to be closed, the chamber filled with neuro stun, and the system notified the local security. (or it would have done, hd someone not allready turned them into small red stains)

Electrified Doors / walls / floors.

Pit traps. 5 meters deep. the walls are covered in what effectivly ammounts to slip spray. the floor was padded.. so that only minimal falling damage was sustained. In the morning, security turn up, and either taser the contents into submission, or simply reset the trap. (as it turns out, the party shaman knew Levitate... so this one was less effective than it should have been)

"Lock Down rooms". Pretty simple design actually. the building was laid out so that to get into any particular department, you had to go thru one of 4 cross-road type junctions. They were all fitted with a suit of sensors, and as soon as they detected that someone was crossing them outside of the proscribed times, 4 sheets of 2 inch thick hardened steel drop from the ceiling, making a pretty much inpenetrable room. Neuro stun was then dispensed.

the "ever popular stairs / slide trap". this one was lifted straight from grimtooth. the stairs are actually hinged, and at the push of a button / incorrect sequence of steps, the stairs go click, form a slide, Slip spray is applied, and the pit trap at the bottom of the stairs is unlocked. iirc it went "click, Spray, slide, crash"

of course if you want to be just EVIL, and kill someone outright, just have Bee size microdrones loaded up with cutters.

on the ONE occasion i put someone thru a D&D style Dungeon crawl (it was actually for an astral quest) it was the traps that did all of the damage. from the simple "cross bow / trip wire" trap in the second room, to the "large vat of hot acid in the last door", someone in the party managed to trip ALL of them. The critters populating said dungeon spent a large ammount of their time betting on who'd fall foul of the next trap.... or laughing their asses off... not fighting with the PC's.

[LinaInverse]

[Sandoval Smith]

I suppose a trap like that is something that someone could stumble across on a metaplane, during an astral quest or the like, but just about anywhere else would get a pretty big WTF? from me. And you still haven't explained where the will test to not grab the bracelt comes from.

[LinaInverse]

[Weredigo]

From Fortune
The Quote function is your friend

Response: as I’ve much confusing views to clarify at the moment it’s not, but I’ll do a better job of keeping things separated this time around.

From Sir Kodiak
The damage code on that check has to be huge or you're seriously underestimating the kind of damage that a boulder is going to do when hitting someone at high speed.

Response: Yer correct I probably am. And I’m probably bending the rules in favor of the players.

From Sir Kodiak
Good moral judgements? Are you aware you're running Shadowrun, which is about people who are professional criminals? Theft and murder are a pretty standard activity. And what moral failing did the people who didn't take the bracelet have? They're the ones getting crushed by a giant boulder while the guy who went for it is safe by the statue.

Response: Morality, Criminal, all depends on your personal viewpoint. Some people are just not meant to waste their lives in an office, or laboratory, but instead are needed in the shadows to balance out some of the real evil bloodthirsty fraggers lurking there. As far as the bracelet taker being safest, if that’s the way you wanna run it chummer, go for it.

Sir Kodiak
Only a madman would actually build the room, and they rarely have the follow-through to get that sort of thing done. There is no believable reason that someone would actually build that thing, which means it's blatant metagaming on. the part of the GM.

Response: Exactly, a madman, like Rasputin, Imhotep, and Tetsuo Shima. Actually it’s usually part of a DungeonDelve CavernCrawl, Usually with a Lich to Kill or some diety created Magickal Item that needs to be obtained.

And MMU1 gets the grand prize. Yes I am a bit of a Newbie at GM’ing, Some of the rules in the book (First edition) don’t make sense so <shrug> I don’t use them. I just keep everything based on D6 and allow the player to attempt anything they want to try to resolve a situation.

Sandoval Smith: And you still haven't explained where the will test to not grab the bracelt comes from.
Response: The Willpower test is invoked due to the fact that the bracelet is worth about 15million creds or more, ie Stratospheric value.

LinaInverse : Putting this setup in some Corp building or compound is where I find great offense.
Response: Nah I wouldn’t do that, It’s more of a trap to put into an Abandoned Temple. Oh, and thank you for easing up on the namecalling. From time to time the players will need a break from city life and it’s off into the countryside, which is not only controlled by the NAN and other Tribal forces but also contain Rifts. I don’t strictly run Shadowrun, I also use VampMasquerade, Rifts, DnD, Murphy’s World, and just about anything else that catches my eye. As stated before I just make sure everything’s based on D6.

[RangerJoe]

Personally I'm a fan of an adaptation of the old Adam's Family security set-up. To get into the vault, you approach a bookshelf. One of the books is entitled "Greed." Pull it, and the vault opens. I'd add with a number of other titles ("Lust" would have a DMSO+aphrodisiac of your choice coating, and "Do not touch this book" would deliver an electrical shock as a 6S stun attack from implanted electrodes...the spine did say "Do not touch this book," afterall.)

[Cynic project]

[SirKodiak]

Seriously, Weredigo, the quote button is right at the top of the page after you hit the "add reply" button. It's very easy to use. Use the "preview post" button to experiment with how to use it. It makes things much easier to read. It shows respect for the people you're talking to if you spend a little bit of time on making things easier to understand by using the formatting that is appropriate to the forum.