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CrystalBlue
post Aug 19 2005, 12:45 PM
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Sorry...not being defensive. My point was that the second everyone says furries, people think about over-weight 30-year-olds in fur suits with SPH's that still live in their parents basement with the terms yiff and knot coming up in every day conversation. At least, that's what my friends think. -_-

Ok, yes. I was being defensive. That's what a lot of normal people think when they think about furs. And then they just staple a copy of beastiality to it and call it a night. Hell, we're already the lowest of the low, why not assume every one of us wants to get it on with the neighbors dog.

People just make me sick when they accuse me and my kind of these things. We walk around normally, blending in with sociaty. I wish I didn't have to. I wish I could talk to my other fur friends in public in some coffee shop, exchanging stories and what not. But that's not going to happen because of our lable.

So I'm sorry that I got defensive. I just do when that word comes up. CSI kinda skewed the fur viewpoint into being one of a mania-type mental disorder...and I hated them for that. It was, ans sometimes still is, my favorite show. But I can't forgive them for that episode.

Ok...rant over...I'll shut up now. :(
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post Aug 19 2005, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 18 2005, 10:10 AM)
QUOTE (Lenice Hawk @ Aug 17 2005, 08:07 PM)
The animal is in capable giving consent

Arguable for some animals.

Legally,non-human animals can't give consent. However, this is a m[oo]t point becacuse, legally, animals can't give anything.

I wasn't speaking legally, as you probably knew. Laws should proceed from non-legal reasoning, not the other way around.

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Shanshu Freeman
post Aug 20 2005, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE (CrystalBlue)
Sorry...not being defensive. My point was that the second everyone says furries, people think about over-weight 30-year-olds in fur suits with SPH's that still live in their parents basement with the terms yiff and knot coming up in every day conversation. At least, that's what my friends think. -_-

Ok, yes. I was being defensive. That's what a lot of normal people think when they think about furs. And then they just staple a copy of beastiality to it and call it a night. Hell, we're already the lowest of the low, why not assume every one of us wants to get it on with the neighbors dog.

People just make me sick when they accuse me and my kind of these things. We walk around normally, blending in with sociaty. I wish I didn't have to. I wish I could talk to my other fur friends in public in some coffee shop, exchanging stories and what not. But that's not going to happen because of our lable.

So I'm sorry that I got defensive. I just do when that word comes up. CSI kinda skewed the fur viewpoint into being one of a mania-type mental disorder...and I hated them for that. It was, ans sometimes still is, my favorite show. But I can't forgive them for that episode.

Ok...rant over...I'll shut up now. :(

I don't blame you for being defensive, you identify with a misunderstood minority population... maybe some people look down on that. My point was that no-one said furries. People only discussed the furry nature of these animals coats. We're all friends here.


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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Aug 19 2005, 02:21 AM)
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 18 2005, 10:10 AM)
QUOTE (Lenice Hawk @ Aug 17 2005, 08:07 PM)
The animal is in capable giving consent

Arguable for some animals.

Legally,non-human animals can't give consent. However, this is a m[oo]t point becacuse, legally, animals can't give anything.

I wasn't speaking legally, as you probably knew. Laws should proceed from non-legal reasoning, not the other way around.

~J

I aggree with Kagetenshi, for what its worth... additionally, laws change, the legal environment of the 6th world is far different from ours.
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post Aug 20 2005, 03:51 AM
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QUOTE (Lenice Hawk @ Aug 18 2005, 01:07 AM)
For clarification "furries" refers to fetishers who like having sex while in animal costumes, manytimes cartoonized animals.

This was the first reference to furries in this topic and is not the definition of the word, which was (I think) what CrystalBlue was objecting to. I'm also embarrased that I didn't object to the dissing going on in the CSI thread when it was happening. Kinda late now, so moving on.

Oh yeah, don't forget SURGE turning people involuntarily into ShadowFurries.

Speaking of involuntary, anyone heard of the Blind Pig Universe and the stories at it's website? EDIT: *Not* the best bunch of stories, in my opinion, but the disease is cool and on-topic as some victims are transformed into non-sentient animals, some with their brains being affected and very little of the rest of them. If your wife is unlucky enough to devolve to non-human intelligence (not to mention form) it's bestiality now, right? That's pretty much the opposite of the intelligent shapeshifter (animal advancing to sentience) question. Sad stuff there.

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Through a tragic series of circumstances, quarantine was compromised and an airborne extraterrestrial virus was released. The virus was highly virulent, and mutated. It was called Martian Flu. About 6 percent of the population of developed countries died -- in the Third World, the death toll was as high as 30 percent. The disease is present in approximately 87 percent of the population.

Approximately six months after contracting the flu began a to mutate -- acquiring characteristics and forms of animals. Some became the total animal, some just took on part of it. Some people could control their changes, some couldn't. Some people changed genders. Some could control their aging process.

Dr. Robert Stein, head researcher ast the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, found and isolated the organism that attached itself at the genetic level and caused approximately 8 percent of those affected with Martian Flu to change --- Stein's Chronic Accelerated Bio-morphic Syndrome -- SCABS -- as the process was named.


Now that'd be a freakin' weird thing to unleash in Shadowrun, or to release in an alternate history instead of VITAS. :) EDIT: Or simply have some sealed vials as an adventure hook. The runners steal some, give it to Mr. Johnson, find out that if it was unleashed it would spread everywhere and have to steal it back.

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post Aug 20 2005, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE (Lenice Hawk @ Aug 18 2005, 01:07 AM)
For clarification "furries" refers to fetishers who like having sex while in animal costumes, manytimes cartoonized animals.

This was the first reference to furries in this topic and is not the definition of the word, which was (I think) what CrystalBlue was objecting to.

ah, I stand corrected :)
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post Aug 20 2005, 01:11 PM
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I read that and somehow I can't imagine that disease being used for anything but a sex based game. It's just missing that it causes women to spontaneously put on school girl outfits.
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post Aug 20 2005, 05:43 PM
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I read that and somehow I can't imagine that disease being used for anything but a sex based game. It's just missing that it causes women to spontaneously put on school girl outfits.

Okay, I've inserted a disclaimer (the good bits are few and far between, and the rest...) into my original post and made it more on-topic. We good?
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post Aug 20 2005, 06:55 PM
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I wasn't upset or anything. It simply seems like it could easily be used for eeviiil.
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post Aug 20 2005, 10:48 PM
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I wasn't upset or anything. It simply seems like it could easily be used for eeviiil.

wait for it.... in a minute there'll be an assertion from someone on the Council for Misunderstood Schoolgirl Impersonators...






:grinbig:



For what it's worth, I thought;

1. The Alternate Virus suggestion was interesting.
2. Your concern was funny.
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post Aug 20 2005, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE (Shanshu Freeman @ Aug 20 2005, 05:48 PM)
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I wasn't upset or anything.  It simply seems like it could easily be used for eeviiil.

wait for it.... in a minute there'll be an assertion from someone on the Council for Misunderstood Schoolgirl Impersonators...






:grinbig:

As Vice Treasurer of the Council for Misunderstood Schoolgirl Impersonators I must object to the assertion that our members are all sex maniacs who spend all of their time in erotic rollplaying forums on the internet. Our members have much better things to do with their time, such as attending Sailor Moon conventions.

Such a virus could be used for more than justification of a PC hermaphrodite Gryphon with two penises. It could be rather seemlessly integrated with UGE under the justification that it alters metagenes of survivors. You'd just have to make it more deadly.
You could even just skp the visus all together and ramp up UGE into a type of ultra-SURGE. The end result is even more disenfranchized freaks in the world.

Make the virus contagious and set up quarantine zones. Have even non-contagious changlings treated like lepers.
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post Aug 21 2005, 03:46 AM
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QUOTE (Shanshu Freeman @ Aug 20 2005, 05:48 PM)
QUOTE (nezumi @ Aug 20 2005, 06:55 PM)
I wasn't upset or anything.  It simply seems like it could easily be used for eeviiil.

wait for it.... in a minute there'll be an assertion from someone on the Council for Misunderstood Schoolgirl Impersonators...






:grinbig:

As Vice Treasurer of the Council for Misunderstood Schoolgirl Impersonators I must object to the assertion that our members are all sex maniacs who spend all of their time in erotic rollplaying forums on the internet. Our members have much better things to do with their time, such as attending Sailor Moon conventions.

Such a virus could be used for more than justification of a PC hermaphrodite Gryphon with two penises. It could be rather seemlessly integrated with UGE under the justification that it alters metagenes of survivors. You'd just have to make it more deadly.
You could even just skp the visus all together and ramp up UGE into a type of ultra-SURGE. The end result is even more disenfranchized freaks in the world.

Make the virus contagious and set up quara
ntine zones. Have even non-contagious changlings treated like lepers.

hehe.


Maybe make it emergent in the year of the comet? maybe some debris caught in its tail that is catagorically dissimilar from the comet proper. That'd suggest it's from another source than the comet, making it ripe for conspiracy theories, yet the interaction between surge etc, is the catalyzer.



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