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i thought Leo's deck did all that. he himself isn't, as i understand it, an otaku; he just built a deck that works like an otaku brain. except a million times better. |
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Apr 7 2006, 06:32 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Actually no, my point was, you can be one or the other, but not both. I believe they are at two different ends of the spectrum post-human development and like ultraviolent and infrared they are the essentially the same phenomenon yet their properties and wavelengths are entirely different and unique.
If you're referring to who I think you're referring to (not Leo), he resurfaced a few months before the Crash 2.0 and Shadows of Asia provides clues as to what he might be up to in the Seventies. |
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Apr 8 2006, 01:40 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Leo's deck and tech were onlysupposed tobe able to show their full power in the hands of an otaku and synner: advertising on the boards again? :P |
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Apr 8 2006, 02:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 28-January 06 Member No.: 8,209 |
You're just splitting hairs; the difference between the statements "having technomancer or magical abilities but not both" and "being a technomancer or magician but not both" is effectively nonexistent. So yes, I know what you meant. I just don't agree. :) |
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Apr 8 2006, 08:27 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Pretty much, yeah ;) - it's one of those obscure canon references that I like to draw upon and this one just went over most people's heads... then again it's no biggie most people didn't get the Orissa reference either. |
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Apr 8 2006, 08:47 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
If you guys are referring to Quicksilver, didn't he die? ... again?
spoiler tags just in case... [ Spoiler ]
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Apr 8 2006, 06:39 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
As far as I know Quicksilver was "only" a decker and magician not an otaku, so no I was referring to someone else. Clue: Not Leo.
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Apr 8 2006, 07:50 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, dodger? its only a wild guess :P
to quote the best discovery program in ages: quack, damn you! |
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Apr 9 2006, 03:20 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Jaime from Mythbusters. Good stuff. Adam's "I reject your reality and substitute my own" is also quite the quotable in Shadowrun and WoD Mage circles. :) |
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Apr 9 2006, 04:48 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
ok, I wqas wondering about that, since I was under the impression that Qs was, as you said, ' "only" a decker and magician "'. So apparently I have some digging to do. At least I have something to do with my time at work tonight! :D IIRC, Dodger is a decker too. Although I never did finish reading through the trilogy. Never found the second book actually. Synner, don't suppose you're feeling generous enough for another clue? :) |
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Apr 9 2006, 10:39 AM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
*quietly looks back a page*
It's Orissa isn't it? Who in Heck is Orissa? I do remember the name from Shadows of Asia now its mentioned. Some one get me ancient history. |
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Apr 9 2006, 11:22 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
no decker/hacker named orissa in SOA that i can find...
only orissa i can find is a whole lot about some magical network... |
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Apr 9 2006, 12:09 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
the Orissa stones are the network in India. I think he's referring to the little spat between Renraku and Yamatetsu. They're both trying to get the last stone in a dig in Mongolia. I didn't catch it in the text, but it's spelled out pretty plainly in the Game Information section. Of course, I tend to miss a lot of things, so he could be talking about something else entirely.
Either way, I'm sitting here with my SoA book while I'm waiting for my shift to end, hoping that Synner will pop on some time and at least suggest a section to read for it. I've gone through the whole book a few times and really enjoy it. But reading the whole thing again to pick out one reference that I missed all the other times is a little frustrating. If only I could bribe him with karma..... |
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Apr 9 2006, 12:29 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
You can rad SR books and post on DS during your shift? I want that too!
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Apr 9 2006, 12:37 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
the beauty of working tech support in a call center on a grave yard shift.
But now it's 6:30 am, so I am going home. Well, getting milk and garbage bags on the way because I have a 18 month old that drinks a ton of friggin milk, then fills up his diapers in case you wanted the particulars. Then I will sleep. Then I will run a game, because we play on Sundays. Then I will sleep some more. THen I have Monday off. Then I come back in on Tuesday at 10pm so that I can show off the fact that I can read SR book and post on DS at work. Seriously, you guys are the best part of my day. I'd go nuts here w/o DS. At least it gives me lots of time to practice drawing. |
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Apr 9 2006, 02:49 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Since I know fistandantilus loves a treasure hunt, the next clue is: what do Venice, Orissa and the Great Work have in common?
Note that when I originally mentioned people overlooking the Orissa reference above, I intended it as a separate reference to hyzmarca's "magical otaku" (though as it turns out there might be a link ;) ). What I meant with the Orissa network is that ED buffs might notice the wink at an obscure Fourth World reference. |
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 28-January 06 Member No.: 8,209 |
Bad hair? |
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Apr 9 2006, 03:06 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, im not up to speed on leo so im going to give this a pass i think...
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
This forum has been down this silly road before. Technomancer and mage mechanics are vaguely similar, but they are NOT the same. They are different enough that most people mistakenly equate Complex Forms to Spells when in fact they are closer to being Skills. I suspect that is because Complex Forms don't really have a magical equivalent. Techonmancer != Mage. |
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 28-January 06 Member No.: 8,209 |
Calling it a "silly road" is insulting and non-constructive. Would you care to give a reason or support for any of your comments, or are you just trying to annoy people? Obviously technomancer and mage mechanics aren't exactly the same. However, they're far closer to each other than anything else. Then again, mage and shaman mechanics aren't exactly the same, either; it's a degree of difference. Complex Forms, at least from what I can see, are MUCH closer to spells than skills, and I have no idea why you say this. Would you care to explain? Technomancers, obviously, are not magicians. Neither are physical adepts, or spellcasting adepts. However, the latter three all gain their powers from magic, so that isn't an entirely useful statement. |
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
In SR4, hermetic and shaman mechanics are exactly the same.
Because they are bought and used in a similar manner?
They are obviously not classed as awakend, either. |
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 28-January 06 Member No.: 8,209 |
Mages and shamans use different attributes for drain, and have different limitations on spirits they're able to summon. Small difference, perhaps, but definitely a difference.
They're learned more similarly to spells, though (you have to actually check to learn them). And beyond that, they also take the place of both weapons and armor in the matrix; there's no skill that's the equivalent of Armor, for example.
No, it's not that obvious, or at least not to all of us. How else would you describe a supernatural ability to interact with computer networks, in the context of Shadowrun? |
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Who said Technomancers and Mages were the same? What I said is that the rules are similar (note, not identical, but similar).
Also, I've wondered this since 1st edition when I first read about metaplanes. If metaplanes are just a different conceptual reality, then it's quite possible that the matrix may one day find itself being just another metaplane, given that every day corps are writing more and more tiny little chunks of conceptual reality for it. Also, hermetic and shamanic magics aren't exactly the same. They use different stats, and shamans have a shamanic mask. They're almost completely identical, but they have slight differences (not that it really matters to the discussion, since it's about the matrix, not shamans and mages). |
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Apr 10 2006, 08:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 681 Joined: 28-February 06 From: UK Member No.: 8,319 |
Personally I like to think that the truth may be somewhat the other way around. What if, long ago, ancients wove mana (and life) on Earth into a network (the Tapestry or the Great Pattern) which was a lot like a magical Matrix (Dragonspeech = machine code, True Name = commcode, Magic users = 'technomancers', Spirits = agents/sprites, Horoi = extradimensional hackers?).
Then along came the Matrix, a technological reinvention of the same basic principles. The dragons, of course, are fascinated by the parallels. And now and then it seems as if the technological Matrix so closely reflects its magical predecessor that the two resonate. Then along comes a new Matrix, even more similar to the Tapestry. The resonance becomes more powerful. As the Matrix continues to evolve, I see the two networks merging. But maybe that's something to look forwards to in the Seventh or Eighth World. Of course I'm probably just mad. Or deeply troubled. ;) |
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Maybe some day I'll have a similar job too. :D But right now I'm working with mental handicaped people (no need to tell me about diapers) and stuyding. @Witness: that's a cool idea :) |
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