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Neraph
post Aug 22 2010, 06:27 AM
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QUOTE (The Grue Master @ Aug 22 2010, 12:23 AM) *
As a point of reference, why is there a manipulation spell that increases attributes so effectively? One net hit grants four points of increased attributes, something that is completely unobtainable via health spells. If this works so readily there should be an 'increase physical stats' spell that immediately gives me my racial augmented maximums. Or at the very least +Force to everything.

I find this spell (like many others) pointless and infuriating. Mages should be just another archetype not bizarre mutants built solely out of cheese who are inexplicably both godlike and impotent. 5e better fix some of this idiocy.

Why do you think shapeshifters of legend were so terrifying? You really need to figure out how to cope with it or quit the game.
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post Aug 22 2010, 06:28 AM
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Because they were shapeshifters with regeneration? Not cheesy mages playing at physical adept?

Edit: Word changed for clarity.
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post Aug 22 2010, 06:33 AM
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No.

What if the Shapeshifter with regeneration was also a mage that cast (Human) Form? Or hell, was a wolf shifter who cast Shapechange to become a tiger and then Mana Bolted people in the face?

What if said "cheesy wizard" was actually a Troll Mystic Adept who turned into a rhinocerous and had Killing Hands, Critical Strike, and Penetrating Strike? What if the "cheesy wizard" was a fomori mage who turned into his totem, the Bear, in combat?

Not everyone is a dusty old man in robes and a wizard hat. Sometimes they want to be rhinocerous, which totally don't wear shirts.

EDIT: Question answered. Left the other sentence because I want to see if anyone catches the references.
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post Aug 22 2010, 06:35 AM
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I edited my post for clarity.
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post Aug 22 2010, 06:35 AM
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Double post, sigh.
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post Aug 22 2010, 01:33 PM
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Neraph, that is completely ridiculous, and I'm tired of your baseless 'factual' statements: rhinos totally can wear shirts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Aug 22 2010, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 22 2010, 06:33 AM) *
Neraph, that is completely ridiculous, and I'm tired of your baseless 'factual' statements: rhinos totally can wear shirts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


But not BEAR Shirts... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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post Aug 22 2010, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 22 2010, 03:33 PM) *
Neraph, that is completely ridiculous, and I'm tired of your baseless 'factual' statements: rhinos totally can wear shirts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And the pointy hat on their horn.
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post Aug 22 2010, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE (Traul @ Aug 22 2010, 09:10 AM) *
And the pointy hat on their horn.


I Always seem to forget about that one... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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post Aug 22 2010, 03:55 PM
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1: It's a game. Have fun, or go home.

2: Its MAGIC

3: There is only room for one troll here, and Bull was first. And yea hes an ork, but really you want a troll in here too...
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post Aug 22 2010, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE (Straight Razor @ Aug 22 2010, 10:55 AM) *
1: It's a game. Have fun, or go home.

2: Its MAGIC

3: There is only room for one troll here, and Bull was first. And yea hes an ork, but really you want a troll in here too...

Theirs was a lighthearted jest.

To all those that missed the references, brace yourselves:

WARNING! ADULT CONTENT!
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post Aug 22 2010, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 22 2010, 11:46 AM) *
Theirs was a lighthearted jest.

To all those that missed the references, brace yourselves:

WARNING! ADULT CONTENT!


In the name of all you hold dear, treat the above link as if someone said to you, "Hey, look up Alaskan Pipeline on urbandictionary."

Don't.

Go.

There.
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post Aug 23 2010, 04:13 AM
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i am disturbed...

and i vote shapechange gives you the IP of whatever you turn into.
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post Aug 23 2010, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE (Straight Razor @ Aug 22 2010, 10:13 PM) *
i am disturbed...

and i vote shapechange gives you the IP of whatever you turn into.

So how many IP does lesbian Japanese schoolgirl give you?
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post Aug 23 2010, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Aug 23 2010, 09:31 AM) *
So how many IP does lesbian Japanese schoolgirl give you?



6 but on the sixth the cow lands killing her
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post Aug 23 2010, 02:22 PM
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that all together depends on whet she is wearing. long skirt, short skirt, cat ears, glasses. different costume different powers.
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post Aug 23 2010, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 22 2010, 12:46 PM) *
WARNING! ADULT CONTENT!


Lol, rhinoceruses don't wear shirts. Also, vegetable madlibs. Below that not so funny (aside from the fat guy who set the house on fire, that gave me a chuckle).

QUOTE (Straight Razor @ Aug 23 2010, 10:22 AM) *
that all together depends on whet she is wearing. long skirt, short skirt, cat ears, glasses. different costume different powers.


If she wears glasses, non-fashion, non-uniform shirt and skirt, and reads books all the time, then watch out. Odds are, she's faster than you and can give you a nasty paper cut.
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post Aug 23 2010, 03:22 PM
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What if it's a short skirt and a long jacket? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) … and pink hair, obviously. Cat ears… Oy.
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post Aug 23 2010, 03:52 PM
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I think this entire thread is just an attempt to legitimize the furry fetishism rampant in 2072.
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post Aug 23 2010, 04:09 PM
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Ok, never post that kind of link again. I think I hurt something laughing at all that.
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post Aug 23 2010, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (yesferatu @ Aug 23 2010, 11:52 AM) *
I think this entire thread is just an attempt to legitimize the furry fetishism rampant in 2072.


Oh, like it's not already rampant here in 2010. ;P
I mean they have their own eBay and Amazon like sites!
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post Aug 26 2010, 04:05 AM
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Here's another one for you:

What happens if a spirit casts Shapechange and then, while still sustaining the spell, uses its Morphic Form Power? Can it turn into a wolf, get the greater stats from the spellcasting test, then change to look like a gnome? Can it turn into a rhinocerous, benefit from the awsome stats, then change to a sparrow and fly away?
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post Aug 26 2010, 04:07 AM
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Nope. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Because that's just silly.
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post Aug 26 2010, 04:09 AM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 25 2010, 11:05 PM) *
Here's another one for you:

What happens if a spirit casts Shapechange and then, while still sustaining the spell, uses its Morphic Form Power? Can it turn into a wolf, get the greater stats from the spellcasting test, then change to look like a gnome? Can it turn into a rhinocerous, benefit from the awsome stats, then change to a sparrow and fly away?


Can you by RAW? I have no idea, tbh, nor do I really care. There are some things that are so ridiculous that it's not worth the time to research. I can tell you that it would never happen at one of my tables.

Dear god, let someone with sense errata the heck out of that Shapechange nonsense.
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post Aug 26 2010, 04:12 AM
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I believe by RAW you absolutely can, and if your tables can't handle the RAW maybe you should try a different game. I was looking for a more mature response from people who've read the rules before posting. Thank you.
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