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 Mar 16 2006, 03:31 AM
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Immortal Elf  Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670  |
hm. good point. if you can't specifically target cyberware with spells, why should be be able to specifically not target them?
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Mar 16 2006, 11:11 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Agreed. I like the rule in SR3 which said that because you paid essence for it, cyberware transforms wih the target when using the Transform or Shapechange spells. Why that isn't the case in SR4 makes no sense.
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Mar 16 2006, 03:10 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Turn to Goo is establishing a dangerous precident. I very much hope it gets errata'd back into sanity.
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Mar 16 2006, 03:18 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Maybe the spell (re)designer didn't want people to temporarily nullify cortex bombs with Petrify/TtG. Maybe they wanted to be able to hack someone's cybercomm after rendering the owner inert. Maybe they didn't want someone with bodyware to be able to get flushed.
In any case, I too dislike the spells excluding cyber from transformation. |
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Mar 16 2006, 03:36 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Well, if that's the case then I guess I just disagree with the (re)designers. I agree with you, but with one tiny nitpick.
Unless this has changed in SR4, cortex bombs aren't paid for with essence. |
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Mar 16 2006, 03:38 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,635 Joined: 27-November 05 Member No.: 8,006 |
I thought they were, it was just that they paid zero essense because it was a Plot Device. :silly: |
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Mar 16 2006, 07:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Based on how hard it's going to be to "chop-up" the goo, I don't forsee subjecting some goo'd goon to a giant sieve in hopes of filtering-out all the cyberware.
Despite treating the cyber differently than it has been historically, I don't see this upsetting or unbalancing anything. I'm hoping when custom spells rules surface, the act of similar transformation will give them similar armor ratings making more of a non-issue IMO. - GTT |
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Mar 16 2006, 07:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Right, because if a cortex bomb cost Essence then it'd be more noticeable. Players of mages would get all upset because they're down a Magic point, and players of vatjobs would get all upset because they have less room to cram in the chrome. However, we can't say that cortex bombs would transform into goo/stone just because they don't cost Essence (and therefore aren't considered a metaphysical part of the implantee). The spell specifically says that cyber doesn't transform, and c-bombs are indeed cyber. |
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Sep 11 2006, 01:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 668 Joined: 4-September 06 Member No.: 9,304 |
Hmm, anyone know what color the goo is, or if it is transparent?
I always thought of it as vile green semi-transparent jello like sustance The reason I am asking, if to know if it can be used to find out if someone has a cortex bomb or Security RFID or..... I think that I am leaning towards making it jello like for transparency. This will allow runners to know about cortex bombs, RFIDs, etc.... but force them to deal with them using other methods. |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 615 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,895 |
Cyberware is 'affected' by the spell. Sine it is your aura that is affected. however, the effect as you have mentioned is a specialized form of shapechange to change your 'organic matter' to goo. Much like you could (atleast in my games) 'shapechange' to a meta-human that appears exactly like you but with bright blue hair.. Turn to goo shape-changes you into something that looks like you with all of your 'organic' parts turned to go. The cyberware is still intransicately a part of you as before... instead of being surronded by flesh, blood, bone, tissue, etc it is now surronded by 'goo'. |
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Sep 11 2006, 04:11 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
i personally assume that the goo is green. just because no self respecting goo is any other color =P or at least, i always assumed it was opaque... i mean, being transparent would seem to be a rather odd change to me...
on another note.... AAAAGHHH!!!! ZOMBIE THREAD! *runs away* |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:07 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
A flesh-colored translucent blob with dark splotches where cyber is close to the surface would look cool.
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Sep 11 2006, 02:56 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
Don't forget that it is "Sticky and Gluelike" so you could just cram in the Gooified subject in any cramped space and he'll stick there.
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 Sep 11 2006, 03:26 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,662 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
The spell surely does not extract cyberware from a living being... just because that would be completely ridiculous. :eek:
Anything beyond this, how it works specifically, is up to you, as long as this basic requirement is fulfilled. ;) Bye Thanee |
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Sep 11 2006, 08:20 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
I always imagined the goo to be pretty much like lime pudding (pale green and sticky), and incredibly stretchy without actually being easy to break.
Digging cyber out of goo in any sort of resellable condition is nearly impossible. Goo is TOUGH. |
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Sep 11 2006, 08:57 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
I think it's really funny that so many people make/have made the "goo is green" assumption. :D
(Not poking fun or anything, I can see it. It's just amusing. Sorry for the lame disclaimer, but I don't feel like having to come back and calm people down for thinking I'm making fun of them when I'm not.) |
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Sep 11 2006, 09:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,002 |
I know its a nod to the previous editions but why for the love of god would they bring this spell back I just don't know.
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Sep 11 2006, 10:17 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
I think it's AD&D "Green Slime" conditioning or maybe for the younger set too much "Double Dare". ;) |
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Sep 11 2006, 10:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 834 Joined: 30-June 03 Member No.: 4,832 |
I had always imagined it being like clear gelatin, kind of a translucent off skin tone color.
man, this is some serious threadomancy :grinbig: |
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